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GMO -- Who me? #6382005
11/25/18 07:09 PM
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The other day I was talking with a farmer of many years and the issue of GMO came up.

I said it peculiar about all this stuff as what did anything look like 200 years ago.

His reply was "Aren't you GMO"? Made me think.

Last edited by seniortrap; 11/25/18 07:49 PM.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382070
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I changed the heading a bit.


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382113
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How are you genetically modified?




Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382126
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Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.



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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: huntrap247] #6382233
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Originally Posted by huntrap247
Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.

There is a difference, but not much.
There is a big concern about genetically modified (by controlled pollination) plants. There are sizable seed banks in secluded storage facilities to preserve the older varieties in case unintended consequences caused by controlled pollination (genetic modification) cause a major crop failure.
This risk is no different than that associated with genetically engineered seeds.
I don't understand the outrage about creating a plant which can be sprayed with the safest herbicide known to man.
Without GMO, the farmers would have to spray with herbicides which are known to be harmful to us.
I think that some people adamantly apposed to GMO actually believe that someone is injecting the plant seeds with Roundup and that we are now doomed to be poisoned.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382447
11/26/18 09:29 AM
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GMO fears ...what a farce!


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382470
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A different GMO was tried back in Germany by some lunatics 1930-1945.

By a sawed off Austrian Corporals orders. mad


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: 52Carl] #6382580
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by huntrap247
Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.

There is a difference, but not much.
There is a big concern about genetically modified (by controlled pollination) plants. There are sizable seed banks in secluded storage facilities to preserve the older varieties in case unintended consequences caused by controlled pollination (genetic modification) cause a major crop failure.
This risk is no different than that associated with genetically engineered seeds.
I don't understand the outrage about creating a plant which can be sprayed with the safest herbicide known to man.
Without GMO, the farmers would have to spray with herbicides which are known to be harmful to us.
I think that some people adamantly apposed to GMO actually believe that someone is injecting the plant seeds with Roundup and that we are now doomed to be poisoned.



The concern comes from when they insert DNA from a different species of plant, animal or insect to get some trait something that can not happen naturally in nature, such as insurting DNA from peanuts into lettuce, which they have done to improve I believe it’s resistance to wilting but can in some cas s trigger alerigic reactions in those with nut allergies

To me the concern is real in part because there is no real oversight to what is being done except by the companies themselves





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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382611
11/26/18 01:13 PM
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If not for GMO, wouldn't our modern corn still look like grass seed heads? The Mayans or the Incas I think started it.


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: krispcritter] #6382615
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Originally Posted by krispcritter
If not for GMO, wouldn't our modern corn still look like grass seed heads? The Mayans or the Incas I think started it.


Exactly, humans have been practicing genetic modification with plants and animals for generations.


Eh...wot?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382627
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Being able to fret about gmo issues is a first world problem brought about by the bounty of modern farming techniques that enable mouth breathers to not starve to death because they are too dumb to grow a tomato to eat for themselves.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: FlyinFinn] #6382761
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Originally Posted by FlyinFinn
modern farming techniques that enable mouth breathers to not starve to death because they are too dumb to grow a tomato


What the heck is a "mouth breather" ?

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: walleyed] #6382768
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Smart for Universities and companies to keep seed from old stock as we don't know what may be coming down the pike in the future. Also a reasonable amount of what we call older or less productive genetics is routinely utilized in our modern hybrid varieties to help deal with environmental issues.
A common usage is in hybrid field corn. Flint corn is an inferior field corn that yields less and has smaller kernels etc. etc. Flint corn however is far superior in dealing with cool and colder weather, so its genetics is valuable in getting corn to germinate in cooler soils, allowing earlier planting and not rotting in the ground and moving the corn belt further north in to areas like the UP, Northern WI, northern MN and ND. The art of those in corn genetics is finding the right crosses of all the available genotypes. Also some of these older and different varieties may benefit in the future from yet to be discovered modifications. Plants like wheat and soybeans that don't have the same breeding systems don't benefit as much or respond as quickly to the modern gene splicing and GMO and thus have much slower gains in yield and dealing with environmental conditions and their changes.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: walleyed] #6382847
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by FlyinFinn
modern farming techniques that enable mouth breathers to not starve to death because they are too dumb to grow a tomato


What the heck is a "mouth breather" ?

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Someone with a stuffy nose?


Eh...wot?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: 52Carl] #6382873
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by huntrap247
Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.

There is a difference, but not much.
There is a big concern about genetically modified (by controlled pollination) plants. There are sizable seed banks in secluded storage facilities to preserve the older varieties in case unintended consequences caused by controlled pollination (genetic modification) cause a major crop failure.
This risk is no different than that associated with genetically engineered seeds.
I don't understand the outrage about creating a plant which can be sprayed with the safest herbicide known to man.
Without GMO, the farmers would have to spray with herbicides which are known to be harmful to us.
I think that some people adamantly apposed to GMO actually believe that someone is injecting the plant seeds with Roundup and that we are now doomed to be poisoned.

Without GMOs farmers would rotate their row crops with forage crops resulting in less erosion and less over production of row crops resulting in higher prices for their crops, but they have grown lazy and most couldn't grow a crop with out the latest designer chemical or genetically engineered seed.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382910
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When you talk about GMOs it quickly becomes evident who the people are that don't know what they don't know.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382948
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GMO's have made mono-culture farming or should I say chemically growing crops possible.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382965
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In my neck of the woods GMOs have made the crops planted more diversified. When I was a kid I'd guess 90% of the acres where planted to wheat. And wheat wasn't GMO crop back then and still isn't today.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383023
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So Digger, am I to understand that you disagree with gmo use and exclude all products and byproducts of said gmo’s from your life?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: Diggerman] #6383042
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Diggerman, that’s ridiculous and insulting. It’s like saying none of us could trap without new technology. Trail cams, new biology studies, modern trap improvements (DP coon trap), and improved lures and baits. Farming is farming we just use the best we have when we have it. My great grandfather wrote in his journals in 1915 that they could consistently raise 30 bushel wheat in the fresh farmed sod. It is not fresh anymore and we raise 60 bushel wheat, and because of that there is plenty to go around. Give us a seed and we will grow it. If we don’t have a seed we will figure it out GMO or not!

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