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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383044
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I disagree with the premise. If you already produce so much that you have flooded the market with your produce, Why would you pay a chemical company to genetically modify your product so that your crop would be so productive that you can not sell it for a profit? What would possess a person to plant a GMO soybean crop, spray it with chemicals that will insure that nothing, I mean nothing else will grow or live on that land period, and then sell that crop for a loss??

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383053
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Diggerman where do u get this information?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383063
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Check out the dairy industry, In Wisconsin thousands of farms were PAID for with 12000 lb. herd averages. Now the dairy industry is imploding and farms with 25000 lb herd averages are going broke. Why? easy, sex select semen, embryo transplants, RBGH, cheap illegal labor. When you judge your success in bushels per acre and rolling herd average instead of %profit margin then you lose me.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383066
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U dont think bushels per acre affect profit margin?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: Yes sir] #6383068
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Diggerman where do u get this information?

Use to do it.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: Yes sir] #6383072
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
U dont think bushels per acre affect profit margin?

Not even remotely as much as $ per bushel.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: Diggerman] #6383095
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Without GMOs farmers would rotate their row crops with forage crops resulting in less erosion and less over production of row crops resulting in higher prices for their crops, but they have grown lazy and most couldn't grow a crop with out the latest designer chemical or genetically engineered seed.

Check out the dairy industry, In Wisconsin thousands of farms were PAID for with 12000 lb. herd averages. Now the dairy industry is imploding and farms with 25000 lb herd averages are going broke.

Yes rotating into forage crops would be great but we don't have a market for 10 to 20 million more acres of forage to replace the roughly 200 million acres of corn, bean and wheat, let alone cotton, sorghum etc.
Yes over production of row crops hurts price but there is a market domestic and export for those crops. There is not a good forage market for excess forage domestic or otherwise. It may be better to green manure a few more acres then to raise forages with no market. Forage gets really cheap when not in demand.

As to the 12,000 lbs. herd averages that was about where WI was at in the late 1970s. We had significant overproduction back then too and the government bought considerable amounts of dairy to bring up prices. The market went to a more capitalistic market and we have arrived at where we are. The early 1980s was b4 all the items you stated that are causing today's loss of dairy farmers. We have the ability to ratchet up production rapidly. When we put more and more superior cows into the hands of fewer but better managers we should expect increased production and we are getting that. rbst is a non factor in increased milk production in the USA today. There has been over production of commodities periodically for centuries and at very low production levels for most of those commodities.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383097
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Are beans the last two yrs have been profitable because the yields have been good.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383135
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Do you think you could grow a crop today with out roundup?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383140
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Yes. Matter of fact 2/3 of r acres r planted to non-round ready crops

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383144
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GMO go much farther than just the roundup ready trait

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383151
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Are you cultivating to keep the weeds out? Do you drill your beans?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383155
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If the government won't subsidize coon producers why should they subsidize crop producers?


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383230
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Iowa state university places soybean production costs at $9.41 per bushel, todays bid cash bids, $7.76 (-.90$ basis)

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383232
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We have all walked a bean field from oct through April, The only thing going on is erosion. In April when yards are greening up, trees are budding, bean field is still nothing, Don't understand why you would do this to your soil.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6383273
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As the population grows on this earth or when we have a major weather event in a major crop growing region we will learn the true value of the increased value of higher production gained through GMO. I hope too many dont have to starve before are eyes r open. Debating with people whose minds are made up and wont listen is kind of pointless. The left hate anything that is good for this country and they hate GMOs with no science to back their "fears ". Most of where anti GMO started is with the same people that are anti trapping and hunting and want to take are guns.

Waggler it will get me cross with a lot of the people in my industry but I agree with you I hate government subsidies and wish they would do away with all subsidies for all businesses and industries.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: Yes sir] #6383539
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Soybeans that are no-tilled in and drilled in 7 or 15 inch rows and not tilled after harvest create very minimal soil erosion from a row crop standpoint. If farmers choose to do a lot of "recreational tillage" on their farms then that is their choice or the combine when conditions cause major rutting up of the fields. If so that can be dealt with in the spring with a light passage with a vertical tillage machine just prior to planing the next crop which for many will be corn.
Also many of the major corn and bean areas have very little livestock and thus forages are not in demand. There are places in the southern corn belt where the straw from the wheat fields is burned as there is little to no value in harvesting and transporting the straw to areas of livestock.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: Diggerman] #6383688
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
We have all walked a bean field from oct through April, The only thing going on is erosion. In April when yards are greening up, trees are budding, bean field is still nothing, Don't understand why you would do this to your soil.

X2 I don't get it either.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: Hal Aggers] #6383865
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Originally Posted by Hal Aggers
Do you think you could grow a crop today with out roundup?
I do every year.Its just more work,but I don't mind.But I don't farm for a living.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6384268
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I think GMOs are safe 99% of the time, there are probably a couple out that shouldnt be. Being compared to old version of corn or wheat from 200 years ago is not the same though. We got rid of those old strains through natural selection a long time ago by not planting seeds from undesirable crops. It took longer, but the corn was natural. The corn 200 years ago was bigger than corn 100 years before that. Farmers always pick the largest and strongest possible crops for planting the next season.

GMOs on the other hand are patented and owned by corporations. Corporations are in charge of the strains, and farmers cannot do what they want with the seed anymore due to restrictions placed on the patented products. So now farmers may have worse land then they did 100 years ago, but are able to produce twice as much. What happens when these companies that own these patented seeds get bought by some Chinese company? Would we really not think twice? After a decade or so of GMOs being popular, how many people would return to Non GMOs just to make sure they can secure future crops from lawyers and corporations? Not that there is anything to worry about right now, but it seems things keep changing faster than usual. These companies also know that if they get caught not following best practices, it would be a decade or two before this government would be able to hold anyone accountable, if ever.

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