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GMO -- Who me? #6382005
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The other day I was talking with a farmer of many years and the issue of GMO came up.

I said it peculiar about all this stuff as what did anything look like 200 years ago.

His reply was "Aren't you GMO"? Made me think.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382070
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I changed the heading a bit.


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382113
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How are you genetically modified?




Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382126
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Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.



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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: huntrap247] #6382233
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Originally Posted by huntrap247
Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.

There is a difference, but not much.
There is a big concern about genetically modified (by controlled pollination) plants. There are sizable seed banks in secluded storage facilities to preserve the older varieties in case unintended consequences caused by controlled pollination (genetic modification) cause a major crop failure.
This risk is no different than that associated with genetically engineered seeds.
I don't understand the outrage about creating a plant which can be sprayed with the safest herbicide known to man.
Without GMO, the farmers would have to spray with herbicides which are known to be harmful to us.
I think that some people adamantly apposed to GMO actually believe that someone is injecting the plant seeds with Roundup and that we are now doomed to be poisoned.

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GMO fears ...what a farce!


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382470
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A different GMO was tried back in Germany by some lunatics 1930-1945.

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: 52Carl] #6382580
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by huntrap247
Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.

There is a difference, but not much.
There is a big concern about genetically modified (by controlled pollination) plants. There are sizable seed banks in secluded storage facilities to preserve the older varieties in case unintended consequences caused by controlled pollination (genetic modification) cause a major crop failure.
This risk is no different than that associated with genetically engineered seeds.
I don't understand the outrage about creating a plant which can be sprayed with the safest herbicide known to man.
Without GMO, the farmers would have to spray with herbicides which are known to be harmful to us.
I think that some people adamantly apposed to GMO actually believe that someone is injecting the plant seeds with Roundup and that we are now doomed to be poisoned.



The concern comes from when they insert DNA from a different species of plant, animal or insect to get some trait something that can not happen naturally in nature, such as insurting DNA from peanuts into lettuce, which they have done to improve I believe it’s resistance to wilting but can in some cas s trigger alerigic reactions in those with nut allergies

To me the concern is real in part because there is no real oversight to what is being done except by the companies themselves





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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382611
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If not for GMO, wouldn't our modern corn still look like grass seed heads? The Mayans or the Incas I think started it.


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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: krispcritter] #6382615
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Originally Posted by krispcritter
If not for GMO, wouldn't our modern corn still look like grass seed heads? The Mayans or the Incas I think started it.


Exactly, humans have been practicing genetic modification with plants and animals for generations.


Eh...wot?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382627
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Being able to fret about gmo issues is a first world problem brought about by the bounty of modern farming techniques that enable mouth breathers to not starve to death because they are too dumb to grow a tomato to eat for themselves.

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Originally Posted by FlyinFinn
modern farming techniques that enable mouth breathers to not starve to death because they are too dumb to grow a tomato


What the heck is a "mouth breather" ?

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Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: walleyed] #6382768
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Smart for Universities and companies to keep seed from old stock as we don't know what may be coming down the pike in the future. Also a reasonable amount of what we call older or less productive genetics is routinely utilized in our modern hybrid varieties to help deal with environmental issues.
A common usage is in hybrid field corn. Flint corn is an inferior field corn that yields less and has smaller kernels etc. etc. Flint corn however is far superior in dealing with cool and colder weather, so its genetics is valuable in getting corn to germinate in cooler soils, allowing earlier planting and not rotting in the ground and moving the corn belt further north in to areas like the UP, Northern WI, northern MN and ND. The art of those in corn genetics is finding the right crosses of all the available genotypes. Also some of these older and different varieties may benefit in the future from yet to be discovered modifications. Plants like wheat and soybeans that don't have the same breeding systems don't benefit as much or respond as quickly to the modern gene splicing and GMO and thus have much slower gains in yield and dealing with environmental conditions and their changes.

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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by FlyinFinn
modern farming techniques that enable mouth breathers to not starve to death because they are too dumb to grow a tomato


What the heck is a "mouth breather" ?

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Someone with a stuffy nose?


Eh...wot?

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: 52Carl] #6382873
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by huntrap247
Too many people confuse genetically modified and genetically engineered.

There is a difference, but not much.
There is a big concern about genetically modified (by controlled pollination) plants. There are sizable seed banks in secluded storage facilities to preserve the older varieties in case unintended consequences caused by controlled pollination (genetic modification) cause a major crop failure.
This risk is no different than that associated with genetically engineered seeds.
I don't understand the outrage about creating a plant which can be sprayed with the safest herbicide known to man.
Without GMO, the farmers would have to spray with herbicides which are known to be harmful to us.
I think that some people adamantly apposed to GMO actually believe that someone is injecting the plant seeds with Roundup and that we are now doomed to be poisoned.

Without GMOs farmers would rotate their row crops with forage crops resulting in less erosion and less over production of row crops resulting in higher prices for their crops, but they have grown lazy and most couldn't grow a crop with out the latest designer chemical or genetically engineered seed.

Re: GMO -- Who me? [Re: seniortrap] #6382910
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When you talk about GMOs it quickly becomes evident who the people are that don't know what they don't know.

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GMO's have made mono-culture farming or should I say chemically growing crops possible.

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In my neck of the woods GMOs have made the crops planted more diversified. When I was a kid I'd guess 90% of the acres where planted to wheat. And wheat wasn't GMO crop back then and still isn't today.

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So Digger, am I to understand that you disagree with gmo use and exclude all products and byproducts of said gmo’s from your life?

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Diggerman, that’s ridiculous and insulting. It’s like saying none of us could trap without new technology. Trail cams, new biology studies, modern trap improvements (DP coon trap), and improved lures and baits. Farming is farming we just use the best we have when we have it. My great grandfather wrote in his journals in 1915 that they could consistently raise 30 bushel wheat in the fresh farmed sod. It is not fresh anymore and we raise 60 bushel wheat, and because of that there is plenty to go around. Give us a seed and we will grow it. If we don’t have a seed we will figure it out GMO or not!

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I disagree with the premise. If you already produce so much that you have flooded the market with your produce, Why would you pay a chemical company to genetically modify your product so that your crop would be so productive that you can not sell it for a profit? What would possess a person to plant a GMO soybean crop, spray it with chemicals that will insure that nothing, I mean nothing else will grow or live on that land period, and then sell that crop for a loss??

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Diggerman where do u get this information?

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Check out the dairy industry, In Wisconsin thousands of farms were PAID for with 12000 lb. herd averages. Now the dairy industry is imploding and farms with 25000 lb herd averages are going broke. Why? easy, sex select semen, embryo transplants, RBGH, cheap illegal labor. When you judge your success in bushels per acre and rolling herd average instead of %profit margin then you lose me.

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U dont think bushels per acre affect profit margin?

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Diggerman where do u get this information?

Use to do it.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
U dont think bushels per acre affect profit margin?

Not even remotely as much as $ per bushel.

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Without GMOs farmers would rotate their row crops with forage crops resulting in less erosion and less over production of row crops resulting in higher prices for their crops, but they have grown lazy and most couldn't grow a crop with out the latest designer chemical or genetically engineered seed.

Check out the dairy industry, In Wisconsin thousands of farms were PAID for with 12000 lb. herd averages. Now the dairy industry is imploding and farms with 25000 lb herd averages are going broke.

Yes rotating into forage crops would be great but we don't have a market for 10 to 20 million more acres of forage to replace the roughly 200 million acres of corn, bean and wheat, let alone cotton, sorghum etc.
Yes over production of row crops hurts price but there is a market domestic and export for those crops. There is not a good forage market for excess forage domestic or otherwise. It may be better to green manure a few more acres then to raise forages with no market. Forage gets really cheap when not in demand.

As to the 12,000 lbs. herd averages that was about where WI was at in the late 1970s. We had significant overproduction back then too and the government bought considerable amounts of dairy to bring up prices. The market went to a more capitalistic market and we have arrived at where we are. The early 1980s was b4 all the items you stated that are causing today's loss of dairy farmers. We have the ability to ratchet up production rapidly. When we put more and more superior cows into the hands of fewer but better managers we should expect increased production and we are getting that. rbst is a non factor in increased milk production in the USA today. There has been over production of commodities periodically for centuries and at very low production levels for most of those commodities.

Bryce

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Are beans the last two yrs have been profitable because the yields have been good.

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Do you think you could grow a crop today with out roundup?

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Yes. Matter of fact 2/3 of r acres r planted to non-round ready crops

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GMO go much farther than just the roundup ready trait

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Are you cultivating to keep the weeds out? Do you drill your beans?

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If the government won't subsidize coon producers why should they subsidize crop producers?


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Iowa state university places soybean production costs at $9.41 per bushel, todays bid cash bids, $7.76 (-.90$ basis)

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We have all walked a bean field from oct through April, The only thing going on is erosion. In April when yards are greening up, trees are budding, bean field is still nothing, Don't understand why you would do this to your soil.

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As the population grows on this earth or when we have a major weather event in a major crop growing region we will learn the true value of the increased value of higher production gained through GMO. I hope too many dont have to starve before are eyes r open. Debating with people whose minds are made up and wont listen is kind of pointless. The left hate anything that is good for this country and they hate GMOs with no science to back their "fears ". Most of where anti GMO started is with the same people that are anti trapping and hunting and want to take are guns.

Waggler it will get me cross with a lot of the people in my industry but I agree with you I hate government subsidies and wish they would do away with all subsidies for all businesses and industries.

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Soybeans that are no-tilled in and drilled in 7 or 15 inch rows and not tilled after harvest create very minimal soil erosion from a row crop standpoint. If farmers choose to do a lot of "recreational tillage" on their farms then that is their choice or the combine when conditions cause major rutting up of the fields. If so that can be dealt with in the spring with a light passage with a vertical tillage machine just prior to planing the next crop which for many will be corn.
Also many of the major corn and bean areas have very little livestock and thus forages are not in demand. There are places in the southern corn belt where the straw from the wheat fields is burned as there is little to no value in harvesting and transporting the straw to areas of livestock.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
We have all walked a bean field from oct through April, The only thing going on is erosion. In April when yards are greening up, trees are budding, bean field is still nothing, Don't understand why you would do this to your soil.

X2 I don't get it either.

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Originally Posted by Hal Aggers
Do you think you could grow a crop today with out roundup?
I do every year.Its just more work,but I don't mind.But I don't farm for a living.

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I think GMOs are safe 99% of the time, there are probably a couple out that shouldnt be. Being compared to old version of corn or wheat from 200 years ago is not the same though. We got rid of those old strains through natural selection a long time ago by not planting seeds from undesirable crops. It took longer, but the corn was natural. The corn 200 years ago was bigger than corn 100 years before that. Farmers always pick the largest and strongest possible crops for planting the next season.

GMOs on the other hand are patented and owned by corporations. Corporations are in charge of the strains, and farmers cannot do what they want with the seed anymore due to restrictions placed on the patented products. So now farmers may have worse land then they did 100 years ago, but are able to produce twice as much. What happens when these companies that own these patented seeds get bought by some Chinese company? Would we really not think twice? After a decade or so of GMOs being popular, how many people would return to Non GMOs just to make sure they can secure future crops from lawyers and corporations? Not that there is anything to worry about right now, but it seems things keep changing faster than usual. These companies also know that if they get caught not following best practices, it would be a decade or two before this government would be able to hold anyone accountable, if ever.

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Do you think you could grow a crop today with out roundup?

It seems like it'd be hard, but somehow organic farmers seem to be doing it.


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Below is the most current listing I could find regarding acres and revenues for certified organic production in the US 2016 data and that number has been rising for some time.

Note that 5 million acres is about 1.2 % of the roughly 400 million crop acres in the USA. There are about 950 million acres in farms but a very large portion of that total is grassland and or wooded land.
I have worked with several organic producers (farm not just garden produce) and only two were not dairy farms so I have limited experience with just raising crops. One of the issues with organic farming I dealt with is that with not using chemicals, tillage became more of a practice to control weeds and that meant that the ground was open or bare more unless cover crops were utilized. Oats planted in the fall worked quite well as one could leave the growth for erosion control and the frost killed the oats so the producer did not have to deal with killing the rye or wheat the next spring. Dairy farmers could utilize the spring forage and thus had more options.
A lot of the organic commodity producers had more difficulty finding and keeping good markets for feeds like organic corn, oats, barley etc. as many dairy producers did not make much money when paying for organic grain and protein at the levels that many wanted to get. The big issue for organic farmers in our area was getting enough land. Most landlords rented land out on 3-5 year leases as that fit many crop rotations and if it took 2-3 years to get the ground certified and you lost the land due to competition you lost money. That meant that many of the farms were limited in production of crops or milk and thus were not nearly as profitable as they hoped they would be. However most of them were former conventional farmers and many had capitalized heavily and even though they were not using nearly the machinery or other facilities they still had costs and loans to pay and most of them were not able to get the production levels needed per cow to cover those costs.

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The way I see it more time will tell if a monster is being made. Which is out of my control. What aggravates me most is that used to we had $5 beans and a $25 herbicide bill. Then comes along a patent on roundup beans and with a few dollars per acre for roundup you have a good clean crop. $50 to $60 a bag was steep but seemed worth it. Then the patent runs out and they come up with patent #2. But now mother nature has been been making her own GMO's and now we have resistant weeds to roundup. So now you still pay a big price for the seed + roundup + some other either old or new herbicides to get the pigweed and marestail and others. So we are about back to same point of weed control before the roundup ready day and the chemical company's own us a little more. Of course you can go with Libertylink which should work for a while. Maybe the big seed company's can buy out the big computer patents ( whom you rent from a couple years at a time) and they can can have you producing 100 bu soybeans on old buckshot land. And why should the farmer care about profits, we have to feed the world, so plant fence row to fence row and maybe we can demise another 50% of the family farms as in the late 70's.


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There aren't many family farms left in my area.


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I have not read every single post in this thread! I do stock heirloom seeds at my house, but I know within a shadow of a doubt the world would starve to death without GMO's (modified and engineered)!!!!!


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Originally Posted by Diggerman
We have all walked a bean field from oct through April, The only thing going on is erosion. In April when yards are greening up, trees are budding, bean field is still nothing, Don't understand why you would do this to your soil.

X2 Diggerman I agree with you.

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No way would I go back. I haven’t had to handle root worm chemicals for almost 15 years. Our farm is more efficient, safer, and environmentally friendly because of them.


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Pennsylvania is pretty big into organic and non GE production.

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I'm just really really really glad there are farmers cause it's easier to buy a tomato than keep those darn bugs off mine when we try to grow them ourselves. A loaf of bread is cheap when I consider how my ancestors had to "round up" theirs. Milk too. Man, get up and tend those stock day and night and day and night. May God continue to bless our farmers and what and how they do it. Forever and ever. Amen.

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Trying to disparage a farmer who tills and tolls all day every day as commodity prices are really low >>>>>> is a really tough analogy. Why?
Because there's this certain group of men and women we know that set traps and catch critters >>>>>>> as low low lower fur prices remain in place. Why?
Cause they love it.


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Originally Posted by Mark June
I'm just really really really glad there are farmers cause it's easier to buy a tomato than keep those darn bugs off mine when we try to grow them ourselves. A loaf of bread is cheap when I consider how my ancestors had to "round up" theirs. Milk too. Man, get up and tend those stock day and night and day and night. May God continue to bless our farmers and what and how they do it. Forever and ever. Amen.

Oh and,
Trying to disparage a farmer who tills and tolls all day every day as commodity prices are really low >>>>>> is a really tough analogy. Why?
Because there's this certain group of men and women we know that set traps and catch critters >>>>>>> as low low lower fur prices remain in place. Why?
Cause they love it.


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Originally Posted by Mark June
Milk too. Man, get up and tend those stock day and night and day and night. May God continue to bless our farmers and what and how they do it. Forever and ever. Amen.

Yes.

I just wish more people would drink milk instead of that unhealthy soda pop.


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