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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385410
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Trapper 7 I didn't vote for Obama, and I didn't vote for Trump (Or Hillary either). Michigan, it's being done through a rule change, not a law change. Congress isn't involved, which brings up the whole separate issue of the executive branch ceding it's lawmaking power to the executive branch. A long time ago, congress decided that the ATF gets to make the rules, not congress. To those who think it's sensible, if bump stock bans are sensible, how about binary triggers? Rubber bands wrapped around the mag well? Stronger trigger return springs? 30 round mags? Where does it change from sensible to not okay? That's a serious question, not rhetorical.


I voted for Trump because he was a better choice than Hillary, IMO. A vote for anyone else was a wasted vote. Logically, to think it was not going to be between these two was silly. My point was Obama would have banned all guns, probably even BB guns if he could have. I doubt you would have seen much change from that stance had Hillary been elected. Trump was the best option when it came to guns. Were there better pro-gun candidates out there? Probably, but they weren't going to be president. It was going to be between Trump and Clinton. Those were the only real choices.


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: Matt28] #6385411
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Originally Posted by Matt28
Bans on bump stocks and on any gun has nothing to do with the NRA or Republican or democratic party's it's all about the people that we live with the more people feel there isn't a need for these things the more bans that will get pushed. If they didn't make compermisees then the liberal people that everyone feels has the right to voice there opinions would take everything from us. The cold hard truth is less liberals better world. So now the people who truly want to hold on to there gun right will have to find a way to either make peace with the liberals or move away from them. It's a loosening battle.

No compromise. Compromise with nothing in return will not end well. Follow it to it's conclusion at the carcass pile. There are plenty of examples of people's who compromised their guns away during the last century. How anyone can support further compromise is a mystery.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385413
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How do they plan to enforce this?

Mike


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: Diggerman] #6385415
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by loosegoose
ADC, as of November 1, 2016, a total of 1,780 presidential candidates had filed a statement of candidacy with the FEC. There were man, many more choices than Trump and Hillary.

If you were at the track and there were 2 thoroughbreds and 1678 horses with broken legs, who would you put your money on?


No, not thoroughbreds. But, realistically they were the only two candidates who were going to win. Realizing this, if you don't like Trump's opinion when it comes to gun control, you must think Hillary would be more lenient.


I don't care how nice the hand soap smells, you should never walk out of the restroom sniffing your fingers.
Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385416
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No idea, Mike. I don't own one, but from what I understand they don't have a serial number, so they cant be grandfathered like a full auto. Likely just get arrested and put in a cage if you're caught with one. (As an interesting aside, the city I work for has a bump stock ban. I've heard from an officer or two that they'd turn a blind eye to any bumpstocks they come across, as long as there are no firearms-related crimes being committed.)

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385417
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Until you folks come up with something better, that could actually work I think I will stay with the NRA. I want my kids to own guns.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385419
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That must be it, trapper7. The only logical conclusion that can be reached is that I'm a secret Hillary Clinton Supporter. It's hard to argue with logic like that crazy

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: FlyinFinn] #6385420
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Originally Posted by FlyinFinn
Originally Posted by Matt28
Bans on bump stocks and on any gun has nothing to do with the NRA or Republican or democratic party's it's all about the people that we live with the more people feel there isn't a need for these things the more bans that will get pushed. If they didn't make compermisees then the liberal people that everyone feels has the right to voice there opinions would take everything from us. The cold hard truth is less liberals better world. So now the people who truly want to hold on to there gun right will have to find a way to either make peace with the liberals or move away from them. It's a loosening battle.

No compromise. Compromise with nothing in return will not end well. Follow it to it's conclusion at the carcass pile. There are plenty of examples of people's who compromised their guns away during the last century. How anyone can support further compromise is a mystery.

Exactly what I am saying but not many people are willing to sacrifice there freedom and lives to keep there rights for the next generation. Its not about us its about our children's children. The lefts population will continue to grow and the rights will slowly die off the it's over

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385423
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
No idea, Mike. I don't own one, but from what I understand they don't have a serial number, so they cant be grandfathered like a full auto. Likely just get arrested and put in a cage if you're caught with one. (As an interesting aside, the city I work for has a bump stock ban. I've heard from an officer or two that they'd turn a blind eye to any bumpstocks they come across, as long as there are no firearms-related crimes being committed.)


So if you own a bump stock but have committed no crime you can still face prosecution... Depending on officer's discretion does not ease my mind at all either.

Are they banning fingers and beltloops too?

This country has become a @$&# joke.

Mike


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: vegasjim] #6385424
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Originally Posted by vegasjim
Until you folks come up with something better, that could actually work I think I will stay with the NRA. I want my kids to own guns.

By continuous compromise they won't.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385426
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Money sent to the nra is a feather in nancy pelosis cap. Yep reasonable gun control what a wonderful idea


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385427
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
That must be it, trapper7. The only logical conclusion that can be reached is that I'm a secret Hillary Clinton Supporter. It's hard to argue with logic like that crazy

I think it's hard for anyone to know what you support. You post about the ban on bump stocks but have said that we should let immigration be open for all. Which will only grown the left stronger to make more bans on guns. You make no sense. You have to pick a side and be happy with that side, not ride the fence to be on what ever side looks good at the time.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385430
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
That must be it, trapper7. The only logical conclusion that can be reached is that I'm a secret Hillary Clinton Supporter. It's hard to argue with logic like that crazy



So what is your excuse?


I don't care how nice the hand soap smells, you should never walk out of the restroom sniffing your fingers.
Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385433
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Trapper 7 I didn't vote for Obama, and I didn't vote for Trump (Or Hillary either). Michigan, it's being done through a rule change, not a law change. Congress isn't involved, which brings up the whole separate issue of the executive branch ceding it's lawmaking power to the executive branch. A long time ago, congress decided that the ATF gets to make the rules, not congress. To those who think it's sensible, if bump stock bans are sensible, how about binary triggers? Rubber bands wrapped around the mag well? Stronger trigger return springs? 30 round mags? Where does it change from sensible to not okay? That's a serious question, not rhetorical.


But the republicans were in charge of pres house senate for two years and didn't change it

So yes they are responsible TOO


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: danny clifton] #6385434
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Money sent to the nra is a feather in nancy pelosis cap. Yep reasonable gun control what a wonderful idea


The NRA doesn't support a bumpstock ban. Your listening to too many rope smokers.
After the Vegas shooting, they did support regulations on them, meaning background checks or at most needed a stamp like ya would for an automatic, but not a ban.


https://thehill.com/regulation/355183-nra-comes-out-against-legislation-banning-bump-stocks

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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385436
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Matt28, I've never said our immigration system should be open to all, just that we shouldn't light immigrants on fire and chop their heads off. It's a subtle difference, I know. I think we need strong borders and even a border wall, and base our immigration system off of skills only, menaing if you don't bring something to improve our country, you don't get in, period. But that's beside the point. I don't pick a side and the believe whatever that side believes, that's being a sheeple. I believe what I believe, and if that puts me on a certain side of the fence, so be it. Trapper7, excuse for what? For voting outside of the two party system?

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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385440
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And too top this off, all this from an un-named source as reported by CNN.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385448
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Pretty scary to make it a crime to possess something you legally purchased less than a year ago.

Banning the sale of something is one thing, but requiring you to destroy it or turn it in is quite another.

I never would have thought something like this could happen in the land of the free.

I guess we'll see if it actually happens.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385451
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It's all over the news, just google bump stocks banned. It's easy to find. Just because it doesn't appear on fox news's homepage doesn't mean it's fake news. ( and before you get too up in arms, fox news and NPR are the only two news sources I look at on a daily basis besides the local paper. Believe it or not, there's really not much difference between the two.)

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385452
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bump stock ban-fox news

If it makes anyone feel better, here's a fox news article when Trump originally called for a ban back in February. It also talks about how he wants stronger background checks, and bans on other "gun modifiers" (gat cranks and binary triggers. likely). If that's not bad enough, he basically says "Obama said they're okay, but I don't think they should be." If Obama thought bump stocks were okay, and trump doesn't, that should tell you something.

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