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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: vegasjim] #6385455
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Originally Posted by vegasjim
Until you folks come up with something better, that could actually work I think I will stay with the NRA. I want my kids to own guns.


I get what you're saying. But here is the deal...

The NRA has compromised many times and the membership keeps paying their dues... So the NRA gets the message that what they are doing is OK with their membership. Keep feeding the beast and it will keep doing what it has been doing all along.

You dont necessarily have to quit suppodying them... But a phone call or strongly worded letter threatening to cancel continued financial support is definitely in order.

They need to know that their compromises will cut their own throats.

Mike


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385477
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Trapper 7 I didn't vote for Obama, and I didn't vote for Trump (Or Hillary either). Michigan, it's being done through a rule change, not a law change. Congress isn't involved, which brings up the whole separate issue of the executive branch ceding it's lawmaking power to the executive branch. A long time ago, congress decided that the ATF gets to make the rules, not congress. To those who think it's sensible, if bump stock bans are sensible, how about binary triggers? Rubber bands wrapped around the mag well? Stronger trigger return springs? 30 round mags? Where does it change from sensible to not okay? That's a serious question, not rhetorical.


But the republicans were in charge of pres house senate for two years and didn't change it

So yes they are responsible TOO


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385493
11/29/18 03:12 PM
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i think i should be able to buy c4 by the ton but can't do that either,oppression is everywhere.









Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385495
11/29/18 03:14 PM
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I agree, Michigan. republicans didn't do anything to reduce gun restrictions when they could have. They talk a better talk than democrats, for sure, but they walk the same walk as democrats. At least a democrat will be honest about their desire for gun control. The same can't be said for a republican.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: pcr2] #6385496
11/29/18 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
i think i should be able to buy c4 by the ton but can't do that either,oppression is everywhere.

You can, you just need to pay the government extortion money first.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385498
11/29/18 03:16 PM
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C4 isn't an "arm", arm implies a personal weapon, like a gun, knife, flamethrower, sword, bazooka, whatever. But I agree, you should be able to buy C4 if you need some. I don't believe in punishing people for what they "might" do, only what they've actually done.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385502
11/29/18 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Matt28, I've never said our immigration system should be open to all, just that we shouldn't light immigrants on fire and chop their heads off. It's a subtle difference, I know. I think we need strong borders and even a border wall, and base our immigration system off of skills only, menaing if you don't bring something to improve our country, you don't get in, period. But that's beside the point. I don't pick a side and the believe whatever that side believes, that's being a sheeple. I believe what I believe, and if that puts me on a certain side of the fence, so be it. Trapper7, excuse for what? For voting outside of the two party system?


Yes. You must have realized you were wasting your vote. What's the point? If I thought that way, I wouldn't bother to vote.
Trump wasn't my choice, but since he had the nomination and either he or Hillary was going to be the winner, when it came to gun ownership, it wasn't even close. I voted for him. History has shown none of the other parties have ever come close to winning.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385503
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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: hippie] #6385504
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Originally Posted by hippie


The NRA doesn't support a bumpstock ban. Your listening to too many rope smokers.
After the Vegas shooting, they did support regulations on them, meaning background checks or at most needed a stamp like ya would for an automatic, but not a ban.


https://thehill.com/regulation/355183-nra-comes-out-against-legislation-banning-bump-stocks

Gun control group gonna do what a gun control group does-decide who gets and who doesn't and who gets what and who doesn't. No different than a democrat in my mind. At least Democrats are up front with their final solution.
Would it be too much to ask for the NRA to support every Americans right to arm themselves as they fit?

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385511
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
I agree, Michigan. republicans didn't do anything to reduce gun restrictions when they could have. They talk a better talk than democrats, for sure, but they walk the same walk as democrats. At least a democrat will be honest about their desire for gun control. The same can't be said for a republican.


They don't walk the same walk. If they did, you wouldn't own a gun.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385512
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Trapper7, if you keep voting like the 2 party system is going to be in place forever, then don't be surprised if the 2 party system is in place forever. Trump was going to win Nebraska's electoral votes, guaranteed. So how did I waste my vote? I didn't vote for the guy and my vote wasn't the deciding factor in whether or not he won Nebraska.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385513
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What if the only gun I own has a bumpstock? I guess pretty soon I wouldn't own a gun then.....

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385514
11/29/18 03:32 PM
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Trapper obviously likes to vote for the winning team. I mean, if your convictions are support of big government and trampling of the second amendment, fine. Otherwise it really isn't anything to pat yourself on the back over to vote for a team that continually effs you over and over and over again

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385517
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Trapper7, if you keep voting like the 2 party system is going to be in place forever, then don't be surprised if the 2 party system is in place forever. Trump was going to win Nebraska's electoral votes, guaranteed. So how did I waste my vote? I didn't vote for the guy and my vote wasn't the deciding factor in whether or not he won Nebraska.


I'm with you regarding the two party system. I would like to see a 3rd, 4th, or more parties that had a realistic chance to win. But, common sense says that will never happen. If you look at past elections and it was ever close to a victory for another party then I'd consider there's a chance. But, it never was. Vote how you want and know it doesn't mean anything.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385520
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They gonna ban belt loops and thumbs too?


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Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385521
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If you're too fearful of voting for anyone besides an R, than it is pretty obvious to see who is to blame for the continuation of the 2 party system.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: FlyinFinn] #6385522
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Originally Posted by FlyinFinn
Trapper obviously likes to vote for the winning team. I mean, if your convictions are support of big government and trampling of the second amendment, fine. Otherwise it really isn't anything to pat yourself on the back over to vote for a team that continually effs you over and over and over again


First of all, Trump wasn't expected to win. So, I wasn't voting for the winning team. These two nominees were so far apart on everything I felt important, it was a no-brainer on who to vote for.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: FlyinFinn] #6385526
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Originally Posted by FlyinFinn
If you're too fearful of voting for anyone besides an R, than it is pretty obvious to see who is to blame for the continuation of the 2 party system.


If ever a 3rd party candidate seriously made a run at the presidency, that would be one thing. But, that's never happened. And 5% or 10% isn't a serious run.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385528
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Perhaps if people that supported 3rd party ideals voted 3rd party the percentage would magically go up.

Re: Time to turn em in, boys [Re: loosegoose] #6385532
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I think most of them think the same way I do. Look at how many independents there are in congress. We should be concentrating on who we nominate to run for office.


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