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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391425
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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391493
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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391522
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I like belisle traps for the power and tight closing only. I find the safeties awful to get into boxes because they seldom slide down the spring arm to get out of the way. For pole sets underwater for beaver, one safety is always on the wrong side meaning to have to fight with it to get the safeties off, or like I always do, set the trap, take the safeties off and then put it on the pole...which defeats the purpose...

Also, Stabilizing the trap with sticks is about impossible on the first dog notch because the space between the jaws is so darn tight

I much prefer sauvageaus, and prefer not to be bit by any of them thanks. My routine to set a bodygrip is always the same,but it will happen some day




Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391524
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So none of you guys use a safety latch ? Itís the last thing I remove from the made set.


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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391537
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Ahhh, brings back memories. It wasnít a trap that bit me but a winch on a swing away auger. Mid December I cranked her up fast but it didnít lock out. The crank smacked my gloved hand as it whirled back down. My boss rushed over knowing my hand was prolly broke. It wasnít but we were both surprised at the blood. It blew the tip of my middle finger out like a squished grape. I havenít thought of that in years till I seen those pics. I was split to the back of my nail. The shots in the tip of my finger was the worst of it. Your finger gonna be sensitive from here on out.

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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Nessmuck] #6391540
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
So none of you guys use a safety latch ? Itís the last thing I remove from the made set.


Admittedly, no, never. First trap I ever set was a 220 Victor and got bit on the thumb. That settled that, learned to never have any part of me inside the jaws.

A lot of things I should do but don't lol




Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391550
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That is nasty! I hope it heals quickly.

This was obviously staged for demonstration purposes but the 330 (non Magnum lol) was truly on my arm and under full pressure. Thought I would post it again to show the easiest procedure we have found for removing arm/foot from large body grip.

It seems like one spring is always easier to get at than the other when caught. Fully compress easy to get at spring FIRST:
[Linked Image]

Engauge spring hook on easy spring and remove setter:
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Attach setter to awkward spring SECOND.No need to fully compress or latch awkward spring, just a couple strokes will open trap jaw enough to remove arm.
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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391556
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cool. I do carry a rope in my pocket for times like that. Not perfect, but will work.

How long does it take to compress a spring with that setter trapset? Any of my caulking guns take a bit of time to squeeze all the way to the end




Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Hutchy] #6391583
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Originally Posted by Hutchy
cool. I do carry a rope in my pocket for times like that. Not perfect, but will work.

How long does it take to compress a spring with that setter trapset? Any of my caulking guns take a bit of time to squeeze all the way to the end



I would use the same method with a rope, as far as the spring order. It would just take longer and put more torque on whatever was caught. I think the key is to stay calm, thinking through which spring to do first etc helps calm you down and makes the whole situation less traumatic.

As far as time, I would say as fast as you can squeeze 8 - 12 times depending on where you grab the spring and what trap it is. The closer to the coil end of the spring the fewer strokes required but you don't have as much leverage. Closer to eye end = more strokes but more leverage as well. Most caulk gun handles travel 1/2" or so before the rod moves, that = lots of extra strokes. This has positive engagement as soon as handle is squeezed. 12:1 ratio to make squeezing easier than standard caulk gun also.


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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391621
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Cool. When I am walking into a place, I often just bring a rope. I like to work fast so I hate threading the rope through the eyes, but it is lighter. Plus I have a habit of losing trap setters.

Cool setter design




Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Hutchy] #6391643
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Originally Posted by Hutchy
I like belisle traps for the power and tight closing only. I find the safeties awful to get into boxes because they seldom slide down the spring arm to get out of the way. For pole sets underwater for beaver, one safety is always on the wrong side meaning to have to fight with it to get the safeties off, or like I always do, set the trap, take the safeties off and then put it on the pole...which defeats the purpose...

Also, Stabilizing the trap with sticks is about impossible on the first dog notch because the space between the jaws is so darn tight

I much prefer sauvageaus, and prefer not to be bit by any of them thanks. My routine to set a bodygrip is always the same,but it will happen some day




I agree. Stabilizing the SuperX is tough no matter where the dog is set on the notch, IMO. That's why I sold all my SuperXs. I still like the strong springs and hooks on the Belisles and only use the Classics now.


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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6391865
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OW! Hope you heal up quick.
Well...I wasn't going to mention it but. Couple of weeks ago I was pulling a line. It had froze rain and snowed keeping me from driving my truck way down in this river bottom. Having to walk down and carry back at least 40 pounds of traps and whatever I caught, I threw every thing out of my pack frame pack including conibear setter. I always have a rope in my pack frame for setting conibears in case i leave the setters in the truck.
It is still fuzzy what happened. I set off a 220 conibear in the brush with hickory staff and in the end, It was attached to my big toe. This was through a barnyard boot. I figured I could just work it off over the boot. Nope. I frog hopped over to where my pack frame was, got my rope and got out. no harm done.
first time a conibear ever got me. Carry a rope. It's light.

Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6392111
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When hooked on the jaws the above setter can be used as a safety as well. Also squeezes jaws together when setting dog. Not as light as a rope but has a few more uses so.................


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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6392140
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Jerry said to tell you those belisles sure have improved his catch. grin (of beaver)

And a whole bunch of other words I cant post when he saw it. The tame version was son of a buck that looks like it hurt like heck.


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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6392210
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Ashamed to admit this but it was setting a #4 longspring against my chest once and caught my belly. Left a bruise too! So glad nobody saw it. About five years later I was picking up all my 220 buckets and thought I had sprung all the traps before tossing the buckets in the truck. Enough said.

Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6392212
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Two years ago i was setting a 330 mag for beaver. Compressed both springs, set the safety latches and then realized that I didn't bend my trigger wires out a bit. (was a new freshly dyed trap). Anyhow, I figured, "heck, the safety latches are on, shouldn't be an issue to reach in and bend the wires out a bit". Next thing I know, I'm both hands deep in a fired 330, standing there in shock on the river bank as if I'd been in a car accident. Nobody around, setters about 10 feet away. The first thought is extreme panic. The pain was pretty bad and my immediate thought was that I'd broken both wrists. I was able to come to my senses and think rationally. Somehow I was able to free one hand on my own, no clue how, then use the setters one handed to get my other hand out. Both wrists and hands were pretty swollen, bruised, and skun up but I don't think I actually broke anything. Went on about an hour later to lay a room of hardwood floor. I have had on and off wrist pain ever since then though. Wouldn't wish it on anybody.

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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6392222
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I made these and they work great. You can buy other safety devises I find these work fine.
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Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6392234
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I keep my triggers tuned so that they don't fire when you breathe on them. Once I have the trigger set, I take the safeties off. I don't trust them anyway. Stay out of the kill zone!
Now for the real truth. I would rather get caught in a 330 than come back the next day to see a sprung trap with the safeties still on!!!

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Originally Posted by 52Carl
I keep my triggers tuned so that they don't fire when you breathe on them. Once I have the trigger set, I take the safeties off. I don't trust them anyway. Stay out of the kill zone!
Now for the real truth. I would rather get caught in a 330 than come back the next day to see a sprung trap with the safeties still on!!!



My thoughts exactly!




Re: 330 belisle nailed me good. [Re: Marty Harmon] #6392523
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I always use a an additional safety gripper when setting 330's, here's another technique that has helped with trap safety latches. I install a piece of inner tube that helps keep the latch engaged when I'm setting. [Linked Image]

After I set the trap, I slide the safety latch up onto the spring , I invert a lot of my 330's with triggers down and this assures me that the safety latch won't catch or reengage when the trap fires. [Linked Image]
Lastly, I remove my safety gripper.

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