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Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6391876
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Another use for a hard wood out there might have been in barn construction where they used a hardwood peg to hold mortise and tenon joints.

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6391898
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It sure looks like Shagbark Hickory.


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Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6391941
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Again, many thanks for the help, guys. Once I pick out a few choice pieces and make a knife, I'll try to remember to post a follow-up photo. I'm still leaning toward hickory, but not sure which species precisely. Krispy, you can bet that with the lack of hardwood in this country, it ain't goin' in the woodstove. Ebsurveyor, although the bark looks similar, I suspect that osage would be a bit more orange in the heart/pulp wood. It's relatively heavy wood, even after 60-70 years at 10-15% humidity, so I'm thinking not poplar. As I said earlier, I'm thinking that most of the chunk will be saved as handles for various implements rather than knife scales.

Anyway, many thanks...

Jack

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6391945
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Good chose for tool handles but that brown stain will be a weak area. Are there any "dry post beetle" holes in that 60 year wood. The holes are 1/8 inch in diameter and the larvae travel 1-2 inches deep. Decorative carvers really like those to incoropate in duck/shorebird decoys.

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6391948
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I agree. I looks like pignuut hickory to me.

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6391969
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Originally Posted by Gulo
Many thanks guys. After your suggestions (sorry the photo isn't better) I googled several hardwoods for images of the bark. Closest match I can come up with is young shagbark hickory. I made a few scales for knife handles and found it to be hard, but nothing like the mountain mahogany I'm using now. Instead, will probably use it for axe/hatchet/hammer handles. I imagine not a big deal for you guys elsewhere, but finding hardwood in eastern Idaho at over 5,000' elevation is like finding a top-lot elephant pelt.

Again, many thanks...

Jack



What specie is the tree referred to as Mountain mahogany? I have heard people refer to our black(sweet) birch as Mountain mahogany. It's pretty hard, but not nearly as hard as our hickories.

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392021
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Cercocarpus ledifolius is mountain mahogany. After desert ironwood, its the hardest wood in North America. It'll bend or chip half-moons out of a double-bitted axe, dull a chainsaw in seconds, and burn right through the bottom of your wood-stove. Great stuff, as long as you have a hacksaw and plenty of extra blades. Makes hickory look like marshmallows.

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392031
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Not Osage Orange/Hedge. My first thought before I read all of these was green ash.

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392067
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Turkey Time. Boy-Howdy! You may have it there. The bark looks pretty close. However, green ash is supposed to grow real fast, so would probably be fairly soft and lightweight. The wood on this chunk is heavy and its been drying for half a century. Could it still be green ash?

Jack

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Originally Posted by Gulo
gryhkl,
Cercocarpus ledifolius is mountain mahogany. After desert ironwood, its the hardest wood in North America. It'll bend or chip half-moons out of a double-bitted axe, dull a chainsaw in seconds, and burn right through the bottom of your wood-stove. Great stuff, as long as you have a hacksaw and plenty of extra blades. Makes hickory look like marshmallows.



Thanks, Gulo.

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Not a shagbark hickory, but it is Hickory..

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392123
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Burn a small slice and smell the smoke. You will know if it's a type of hickory.


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Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392233
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Ash is heavy but you are correct that it grows fast. Good conditions and growth rings will be larger but hickory will grow fast as well.

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392241
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Originally Posted by Gulo
gryhkl,
Cercocarpus ledifolius is mountain mahogany. After desert ironwood, its the hardest wood in North America. It'll bend or chip half-moons out of a double-bitted axe, dull a chainsaw in seconds, and burn right through the bottom of your wood-stove. Great stuff, as long as you have a hacksaw and plenty of extra blades. Makes hickory look like marshmallows.



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Originally Posted by Gulo
gryhkl,
Cercocarpus ledifolius is mountain mahogany. After desert ironwood, its the hardest wood in North America. It'll bend or chip half-moons out of a double-bitted axe, dull a chainsaw in seconds, and burn right through the bottom of your wood-stove. Great stuff, as long as you have a hacksaw and plenty of extra blades. Makes hickory look like marshmallows.



I am familiar with mountain mahogany! Western fence lizards, Sceloporus occidentalis) prefer this to all other species !! Specius preferencis !


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Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392253
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Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392268
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Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: Gulo] #6392406
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River elm !!!

Try driving a nail in it it it bends then we can say hickory. If it has set that long no way to drive a nail without pilot hole.

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It is hickory I have cut them by the thousands. Good for handles if not damaged

Re: HELP! Tree identification [Re: WHSKR] #6392540
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Originally Posted by WHSKR
It is hickory I have cut them by the thousands. Good for handles if not damaged

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Mountain Mahogany is good handle too, I have a trim hammer that I put one in ~1964 and it is still as new, used broken bottles to shape it.

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