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Snares #6390505
12/05/18 01:54 AM
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Do you feel your pelts bring in noticeably less $ if the animal was snared or trapped via a cable restraint? I'm referring to the potential for the cable to damage the fur.

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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6390560
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Little to no difference on Yotes but I do occasionally see damage on Red's in CR's if caught around the waist.

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I trap Pa. only CR's and NO entanglement are legal on dry land. It's a recipe for fur damage.
I do check 24 hrs. Still damage. Long lunges and quick stop equal damage on neck caught or hip caught animals. Plus flanks are weakened on some.
Am not a fan of CR's, but I'll play the cards dealt to me.

I've trapped in other states with snares and kill poles/entanglement. Zero fur damage. Snares & kill poles...dead right now. No damage

I'm referring to the potential for the cable to damage the fur.
Any pelt will have less value with fur damage. CR potential fur damage is real. Set some, see for yourself.

Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6390692
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I haven't witnessed to much damage do to using Crs. But then any neck caught critter Is going to have some damage to the fur. But when you look at where the best useable fur Is then neck fur damage Isn't a huge deal. Now a hip caught critter Is a deferent story. So far I have never had a hip caught coyote.


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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6390700
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^^^^^^Hogwash.Neck snared thousands of animals -Had very few dmg grades-less than 1% for sure.The damged neck snared animals was due to a failure of the snare to kill quickly and always on wolf.never had a dmgd cat or fox from a lethal neck snare.
I can see a cr damaging fur,since the animal is going to be alive and rubbing.


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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6390808
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Sew any broken skin. Brush/comb out the snare area. Fur hides a lot of stuff. Tell fur buyers you caught them with footholds. Good Luck!

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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6391049
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CR damage will show on the leather.grader will know what it is right off

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Originally Posted by Arkansas87
CR damage will show on the leather.grader will know what it is right off


You peaked my curiosity. I went and tried to look at the neck leather side of a put up coyote. I couldn't see the neck, much less the snare mark. Couldn't open the head side and on the tail side the neck was way down at the end of a dark tunnel.


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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6391095
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Not going to show on fur out critters.


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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6391121
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Lol yea on fur out critters I guess that's right!

Re: Snares [Re: Boco] #6391343
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Originally Posted by Boco

I can see a cr damaging fur,since the animal is going to be alive and rubbing.

In my state we can use CR's (not snares) for dryland trapping.
We can use snares for beaver though if they are at least 1/2"submerged. Here's a 53 pounder I snared a few weeks ago. Combing the area where the snare was, as someone suggested, did seem worthwhile to me. This 1 is going up for sale 12/15. I'll see if the fur buyer says anything. [Linked Image]

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If there is a red line on the pelt there is a real good chance it will grade damaged,That is pre mortem bleeding into the skin and indicates the animal was alive in the snare for a period of time and fighting the snare and did not die fast.If it has a white line on the pelt-no damage.That is just a pressure mark from the wire post mortem.Body caught animals often have the pre mortem snare damage. Neck snared animals in a lethal snare set up die quickly.Beaver are difficult to neck snare consistently,unlike cats and canines,that is why a lot of jurisdictions only allow beaver snaring under ice or under water(positive drowner).


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Everyone here would prefer to utilize snares but we can't and I personally have not seen what I would consider damage that would I would get docked for- I get downgraded more on rub marks but not from the CR's. During the original study, every animal that was caught underwent a necropsy by a veterinarian to determine injurie scores, not to the fur quality but to the animal. Following that, every animal was put up by a professional fur handler, tanned and then inspected by NAFA. Then numerous ideations took place to improve the scores by adding design modifications to what is now our current CR. The following is some of that detail.

Injury Scores – ISO Standards
We also evaluated injuries using the International Standards
Organization (ISO) Injury Scoring System, another
independent measure. With this cumulative numeric
system a final score of 55 or less is necessary to be
considered acceptable. This scoring system means the
lower the score, the better. The final numeric score of this
study for all coyotes and foxes was 6.8 (Table 2). This
independent evaluation supports and parallels results of
the IAFWA injury score system.

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Pelt Studies
In 2001 pelts were skinned, stretched, dried and then
tanned by a commercial tannery to determine affects of
restraints on fur quality. Professional fur graders for
North American Fur Auction, Inc. (NAFA) inspected all
pelts and determined little to no damage to any furbearer.

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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6391518
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Spot on Eagleye. I forgot about all that testing And I was involved In the skinning part of the testing.

Good Information . But I'm a bit confused since lots of CR caught coyotes have water heads. Maybe that doesn't count very high on the injury list.


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AJE if you trap beaver with snares, where they don't drown quickly, there will be a lot of snare damage. Right now damage beaver pretty much brings the same price as most any beaver in the hatter market so it probably doesn't really matter. If the beaver market ever improves, or you find a market for undamaged pelts, I would not recommend damaging hides with snares.


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Originally Posted by The Beav
Spot on Eagleye. I forgot about all that testing And I was involved In the skinning part of the testing.

Good Information . But I'm a bit confused since lots of CR caught coyotes have water heads. Maybe that doesn't count very high on the injury list.


I'm not sure swelling, fluid build up in the head, is an injury. My daughter's sled dog escaped one time and got caught in one of my snares a mile or so away. It was alive and well when we found it, but it had a big ole head. A couple of days later the swelling was gone with no permanent effects.

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Re: Snares [Re: AJE] #6391719
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Sometimes the animals doesn't follow directions and can cause some damage before finally doing what they are supposed to do.

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On the rare occasion that I have a coyote In a snare (no cable restraints here) that is still alive I see a lot more fur damage from them banging around in the sagebrush and breaking guard hairs on their flanks and sides. No real fur damage on their necks.


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