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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: pcr2] #6392156
12/07/18 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
i feel like i'm havin a flashback.


LOL

Yeah, didn't we have this argument back in 2002?


Eh...wot?
Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392161
12/07/18 01:46 AM
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Yep, its a lost cause. Until it hurts them in the pocket book the PGC will change nothing.


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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392163
12/07/18 01:47 AM
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I have seen a lot more big bucks since antler restrictions. But, killing them is another story. All these big deer now have several hunting seasons under their belt and have learned the survival game really well. I was content shooting a small, stupid buck every year than a nice one every three or four years.


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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392164
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I'm a confessed " Trophy Hunter". That being said, I'm that way because I Can! Have shot truckloads of deer, probably pushing 400. Shooting a deer is quite easy where I hunt. I routinely pass up 30-60 bucks a year while archery hunting. I choose to wait for older age class deer but to restrict those that are happy just to be out there and shooting a buck sucks! Most don't have the time/ properties as " trophy hunters" .
As for the genetic thing..., Your NOT gonna shoot genetics out of free ranging deer!
Does have just as much to do with genetics as do bucks.
Do I like antler restrictions?, No!
I will shake hands and help drag anyone that shoots a small buck.

Thier tag.


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392171
12/07/18 01:51 AM
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me, I look for them little bumps on the forehead. button buck. this years buck. bigger than a doe and o so tender!


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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: bucksnbears] #6392200
12/07/18 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
I'm a confessed " Trophy Hunter". That being said, I'm that way because I Can! Have shot truckloads of deer, probably pushing 400. Shooting a deer is quite easy where I hunt. I routinely pass up 30-60 bucks a year while archery hunting. I choose to wait for older age class deer but to restrict those that are happy just to be out there and shooting a buck sucks! Most don't have the time/ properties as " trophy hunters" .
As for the genetic thing..., Your NOT gonna shoot genetics out of free ranging deer!
Does have just as much to do with genetics as do bucks.
Do I like antler restrictions?, No!
I will shake hands and help drag anyone that shoots a small buck.

Thier tag.


I also like to wait it out for a mature buck. Restriction I don't agree with shoot what works for you.

Bucks >>> Of all those deer (400) you have shot are most from the state of MN and do most make P&Y or B&C? That is a lot of tags didn't realize one man could ever get that many tags.

Thanks

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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Lugnut] #6392204
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I don't like antler restrictions. I'm a meat-hunter and couldn't care less about antler size. I do like the herd reduction though. The does are so much bigger and healthier than they were pre-HR. It was necessary, Pennsylvania's deer herd was mismanaged for decades. There were way too many deer and they were half-starved scrawny runts.

I think the herd numbers are stable in the two areas I hunt (5C and 3A) and I'm happy with the population and the doe tag allotments.


Eh...wot?
Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392221
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I'm in WMU 4C and we never had small have starved deer. The habitat was always able to handle the herd. No browse line in the forests here and never was. Just another example of the PGC mismanaging the resources. They can't adopt an idea all across the board to all the WMUs because of diversity of habitat from one area to another.

My dad tells a story of seeing game officers counting grouse flushes to gage populations. They were walking through the woods counting flushes of grouse and each time they would flush a bird that would be counted as another bird in the population not allowing for two or three flushes of the same bird as just being that one bird. So they calculated the grouse population as being much higher than it should have been.


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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392243
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Well now that it is about antler point restriction in general....... I only go after big bucks but I could care less what someone else wants to/does shoot. I teach and when we talk in class I tell the kids that anything is a trophy and it doesn't even matter if you even see a deer. I absolutely hate hearing kids/people say: It was only a small 8. All I saw was small bucks. I only got a doe. etc. I was not alive but there was a time around here when my grandparents were amazed to see a deer track. How about: I saw a cool skunk. A squirrel almost touched me. I got my first deer. I saw a buck chasing a doe. etc.

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392254
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I live in NY State, and have went to my family's land/farm in P. A. for around 30 years now. Just got back Tuesday. I have hated that 3 pt.law since they started it. I have to say, I don't know what happened this year there, but there were a ton of legal bucks this year. My friend killed a slammer. My cousins son and husband killed two really nice bucks. And 4 or 5 other guys as well right there. Usually I have to let a buck walk by every year because it is in the woods and I cannot not tell if it is legal or not. And/or it is just a spike or 4 pt. I am curious to see what next year brings, to see if there a lot of legal bucks or not, because they are lucky to get a couple legal ones there every year. My nephew lives in Western NY and he and I go back and forth over this subject every year, last night we did because he saw the bucks taken there this season. I feel if you don't want to shoot a small buck it is your perogative, if I want to take a small buck, I should be able too. I spend around $120 a year for my license and here where I live I can still do that.

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392267
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Snowy, the hatred you feel for MN guys is almost legendary. I won't answer those questions wink


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You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392271
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I would like to know what age class of deer are being killed under the current antler restriction in PA, and what size antlers they carried for their age.
I am guessing that the majority of the "legal" bucks had just become big enough to be "legal". If the goal is to produce giant racks, then those deer are exactly the ones which should be allowed to walk 2 more years.
There are some counties in Virginia which produce incredible racks as soon as 3 1/2 years old. The problem is that the very prevalent dog running hunt clubs have a 5 gallon bucket rule. If the rack fits in a 5 gallon bucket, the shooter gets fined $100 by the club. Herein lies the rub. They shoot every buck whose antlers are just a bit larger than a 5 gallon bucket. Again, the very age class deer which would need 2 more years to be monsters in that county never make it.

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392277
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LOL >>> I don't hate MN people I might not agree with your ways or a topic you have started, but hate is something you said. That's fine but that is a lot of tags for one man. You must hunt many states to been able to kill that many. But good for you. As far a trophy hunting like you said you must have a lot of P&Y and B&C bucks.


You sure have done well as a hunter to accomplish what you have said Good for you Buck's.

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: snowy] #6392297
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Originally Posted by snowy
LOL >>> I don't hate MN people I might not agree with your ways or a topic you have started, but hate is something you said. That's fine but that is a lot of tags for one man. You must hunt many states to been able to kill that many. But good for you. As far a trophy hunting like you said you must have a lot of P&Y and B&C bucks.


You sure have done well as a hunter to accomplish what you have said Good for you Buck's.



Snowy you ever think maybe he is 247 yrs old? That is one way for 1 man to kill 400 deer. If my memory serves me right on your pics you posted you look to be late 30's If you started killing deer at age 10 that's 30 years

400 divided by 30 that's a little over 13 a year . WOW you are a killing machine !!!!!!
Of course my numbers are based on me guessing your age.

If you are 247 years old then that sounds like a normal deer hunters average !!!!

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392300
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jbyrd63 >>>> Ya, exactly LOL. It sounded pretty interest so I thought I would ask a few questions on all his success but NO go. LOL And being a trophy hunter only, he has to have a lot of P&Y and B&C head gear.




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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392355
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The antler restrictions have done nothing but cause arguments between hunters. I like to shoot deer for the purpose of eating them. They look cool on the wall, but when I pull a chunk of backstrap out of the freezer in February, I see deer meat. I donít see a 3.5 yr old buck or a nanny doe.

That being said, I choose to hunt for the oldest buck I get on camera through archery but come rifle, Iím still looking for a decent buck, but a good sized 2.5 yr old buck like the one I shot this year will do. I donít think the state should tell anyone what buck you should be able to shoot. Most hunters I know are hunting for a buck for meat, prob 10% are going to pass up every buck they see until the ďoneĒ presents the opportunity.

If you want to shoot trophy bucks, pass em up till itís at least 4.5, and I think itís safe to say most people have never killed or seen a 4.5 yr old deer. Iíve killed one deer in my life in PA that was possibly that old. The rest 1.5-3.5.

I think itís should be the hunters/landowners choice, not the states.

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392364
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All you meat hunters think on this.
A 11/2 year old yields about 45 pounds of meat
A 41/2 year old yields about 100 pounds of meat
No w for the love of God tell me you don't see why they should be shot for meat at such a tender age.
It would only take 2 years to turn this state around
To many think, if I don't shot it the next guy will
Besides, doe taste much much better at this time of year.
The buck are worn out from the breed, no fat, and smelly
This is a subject that I will never back away from
I have changed a lot of minds in the last 30 years or so.

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392380
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Take a look at PA top ten typical bucks records and look at the dates they were killed. If I recall the list, almost every buck was killed way before antler restrictions. I would think that after 15 years, AR should result in a few more recent additions, but that's not the case.

I don't like the restrictions. I also only shoot big buck, but that is my choice. Although I've shot quite a few dandies, I'm perfectly fine not getting a buck and putting a couple doe in the freeze. Our area of PA is polluted with deer.

Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Finster] #6392382
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same here Farmdog.


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Re: PA, Antler restrictions [Re: Farmdog] #6392384
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Originally Posted by Farmdog
, I'm perfectly fine not getting a buck and putting a couple doe in the freeze. Our area of PA is polluted with deer.


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