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Porcupine caribo Western Alaska #6401407
12/17/18 02:05 PM
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These porkys getting close to you Yukon Jeff http://pcmb.ca/herd
Scroll down a bit to see the map

Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6401423
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That's still a long ways from Jeff


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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6401447
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I wish they were close to me. I am way down stream on the Yukon, In the western part of the state, 70 miles inland from the Bering sea. We don't get caribou near here very often. The western Arctic herd used to come down to about 150 miles away. It was a long, round trip. But they have not come down for like 18 years now.
We have to eat moose all the time.

They used to have a map of the collard western Arctic caribou herd, but they took it down because the villagers up north didn't want the sport hunters to know where they were.
So we have to rely on first hand reports now.

Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6401525
12/17/18 05:27 PM
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Correction, fish and game and the reindeer herders association wanted the map taken down not the locals. The said it was an unfair advantage.


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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6401580
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One of the greatest threats is facebook and the postings on the herds and their were-abouts this was in the last herd management meeting.

Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6402246
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No50, why is posting whereabouts a threat? Isn't harvest managed by seasons, bag limits etc. Is FB increasing harvest that much?
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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6402250
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I was wondering the same thing. A guy might see a map on FB but you still have to get there. Generally not an economically viable activity


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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6402256
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It's not maps on FB, Ken. People in an area will post the bou are there and then others can focus on that area, or something along those lines I think. Using collar info isn't as good, from my experience as getting info directly from hunters.
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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6402617
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Face-boot was used last winter and a staggering amount of animals were taken, there was a lot of wastage that occurred, "Treaty rights" does not limit harvest.
Sat through a 2 hour presentation of our Manitoba herd and where it goes in NWT and Nunavut in the summer
Then there was presentations of the other 4 or 5 sub-herds
The Quebec-Ungava herd is in dire straits.
the population that was hammered was on in the boarder of Nwt and Nunavut
Satalite phones and GPS positions and fobs used to locate kill zones for pick up

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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6402917
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Thanks Mike ! I don't do FB at all.

Interesting stuff North !!


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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6402949
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What you hear presented at a Naturalist meeting is a lot different than a sportsman meeting.

Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6404972
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The map was running out of Alaska so I figured the were getting close to Yukon Jeff. Looks like they crossed the Dalton and the pipeline.

What you guys opinion on Trump opening the 10 02 lands. I know the zinupiat support it for the jobs. Do you think industry can be done while at the same time allowing the caribou to calve in the same area?

Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6405061
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Originally Posted by muskrat411
The map was running out of Alaska so I figured the were getting close to Yukon Jeff. Looks like they crossed the Dalton and the pipeline.

What you guys opinion on Trump opening the 10 02 lands. I know the zinupiat support it for the jobs. Do you think industry can be done while at the same time allowing the caribou to calve in the same area?


If its done properly it shouldn't be a problem.


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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6405125
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Look at the disaster the trans-alaska pipeline caused the caribou herd in that area. Oh wait, nevermind.


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Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: muskrat411] #6405503
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I’m certain that if done properly it can be done. And there are for sure benefits to doing it. Hopefully they will need to pipe the oil to Canada 🇨🇦 to ship 🛳 out. I can’t see them doing a lot of work during calving anyways as it is so wet and swampy.

Re: Porcupine caribo Western Alaska [Re: yukonjeff] #6405626
12/22/18 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
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They used to have a map of the collard western Arctic caribou herd, but they took it down because the villagers up north didn't want the sport hunters to know where they were.
So we have to rely on first hand reports now.


No, not exactly
If you remember Jim Dau, Kotzebue's Caribou Biologist of 25 years, he personally told me , when I asked him, that the FnG found out villagers (Buckland, Deering , Shishmareff) were using the info to find the Caribou, and took down the site.
The map was of the Northern Seward Peninsula, and thats where the WACH winters. The map would have a dot for every coller and you could find 'em with ease, if you know the areas to ride. I loved that site. laugh

Ive never met a sport hunter looking for Caribou in winter.

In Summer/Fall, there was not a dot to be seen on the map, as the WACH was still North of Kobuk River, as are most sports hunters.
Locals keep a close tab on animals anyways, its not hard to find a herd, and the best way to get to them.

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