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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403086
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When it comes to government handout's I believe the wording in the Constitution is "general welfare" NOT "specific group's".

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You only live once, so get over it!

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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403094
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I propose new legislation

the banning or reclassification of anything that is legal to make it illegal a crime just to own not even use shall take a 2/3 majority of both houses.

this is bad government plane and simple .

NO confiscation with out representation!


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6403096
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I propose new legislation

the banning or reclassification of anything that is legal to make it illegal a crime just to own not even use shall take a 2/3 majority of both houses.

this is bad government plane and simple .

NO confiscation with out representation!



Confiscation without representation is exactly what it is. It was a rule change not voted on by any elected official. It was introduced as an idea by Trump and then made into a rule by the DOJ/ATF. Back in the 1700's we started a violent revolution when our tea got taxed without representation. Now some people bend over and take it because they gotta support the GOP, because in their mind that's their only choice.

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403097
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Didn't read all the comments on this thread,

But I have read the constitution, and have a diploma which means I passed English class and understand what

"Shall not be infringed" means It's actually very simple no matter "how you feel" or what you think about "common sense gun legislation"

That's all I have to say on this thread


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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403098
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Originally Posted by hippie
Goose, when did he ban assault weapons?


He's talking about a line in Trump's book published almost two decades ago, same as James back on page two of this feeding frenzy. It's a classic "Not-my-President" talking point. Didn't you know that only liberals and libertarians are allowed to change their minds? Republicans are not.


Eh...wot?

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403107
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Two questions lugnut...

1. Do you have any evidence to show that Trump has changed his mind regarding an assault weapons ban? If not, then why should we assume he has? You know what happens whon one assumes, after all....

2. If Hillary Clinton came out tomorrow and said she's a changed woman, she thinks that "Shall not be infringed" means "Shall not be infringed", and that any and all gun laws are unconstitutional, would you believe her? And if not, why would you believe Donald Trump?

Presidents, all people in fact, are allowed to change their mind, but you need to show me some sort of evidence besides a change in political party to prove it.

(Also, Trump is my president.)

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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403108
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We usually expect a good reason for someone to change their mind. Most R's only change their mind when pressured into it or never believed their previous stated stance to start with. Not many change their mind to the more constitutional position

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: loosegoose] #6403116
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Two questions lugnut...

1. Do you have any evidence to show that Trump has changed his mind regarding an assault weapons ban? If not, then why should we assume he has? You know what happens whon one assumes, after all....

2. If Hillary Clinton came out tomorrow and said she's a changed woman, she thinks that "Shall not be infringed" means "Shall not be infringed", and that any and all gun laws are unconstitutional, would you believe her? And if not, why would you believe Donald Trump?

Presidents, all people in fact, are allowed to change their mind, but you need to show me some sort of evidence besides a change in political party to prove it.

(Also, Trump is my president.)


Good points. I knew Trump felt that way about the assault ban years ago, and he hasn't done anything since he was sworn in to make me think he has in fact changed his mind.


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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: Lugnut] #6403158
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by hippie
Goose, when did he ban assault weapons?


He's talking about a line in Trump's book published almost two decades ago, same as James back on page two of this feeding frenzy. It's a classic "Not-my-President" talking point. Didn't you know that only liberals and libertarians are allowed to change their minds? Republicans are not.


Yea, just trying to justify throwing his vote away. Ever notice they can't wait to throw the Republicans under the bus?

Here's my thinking......
Just look back thru this thread. See any of the Trump haters blaming the Dems for not going along with the border wall? If Trump could get a dozen Dems on his side, he would be building the most beautiful wall ya ever saw!

Like i said on my very first post on this one, i knew before opening it who the players would be. They might convince themselves, but that's as far as that goes.


Another thing..........

Republicans are the minority now, to answer someone. We just got lucky and caught them sleeping the last election. I doubt that will happen again, so ya'll better get ready for Biden or Harris.

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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403165
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I guess what I would like to know is where in the Constitution does the executive get the authority to ban anything ?

If Congress had done this I could understand the process even though I may not like the outcome.


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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403168
12/19/18 05:27 PM
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No need to call Dems out for not supporting the border. None of them are ever going to support it and haven't made any promises to do so. I thought Trump would try to court Dems more if he was elected than he had but they all went off the deep end win he won.

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403171
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LOL, That's funny SNIPPERBBB

Why not, they voted for it before?

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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403172
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I don't know how this is going down White, i can't find it to see how they are doing it.

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403179
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Here is the final rule for everybody, directly from the ATF. Take note that there is no provision for anyone to own a bompstock at all. They are not being "put in" with automatics, as some have stated. All bumpstocks have been manufactured after 1986, and per the Gun Control Act of 1986 no civilian can own a machine gun made after 1986. It spells it all out in the rule.

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Well that sucks!

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: hippie] #6403182
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Originally Posted by hippie
Yea, just trying to justify throwing his vote away. Ever notice they can't wait to throw the Republicans under the bus?


Hippie you stated that I'm trying to justify throwing away my vote, but you seem desperate to justify voting for a man who's actions and past statements show he isn't a 2nd amendment supporter. And you still haven't shown any evidence that he doesn't support an assault weapons ban.

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403184
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Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: hippie] #6403185
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Originally Posted by hippie
LOL, That's funny SNIPPERBBB

Why not, they voted for it before?

Then and now.

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: loosegoose] #6403189
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by hippie
Yea, just trying to justify throwing his vote away. Ever notice they can't wait to throw the Republicans under the bus?


Hippie you stated that I'm trying to justify throwing away my vote, but you seem desperate to justify voting for a man who's actions and past statements show he isn't a 2nd amendment supporter. And you still haven't shown any evidence that he doesn't support an assault weapons ban.



Probably because i don't feel i owe you one. I'm not the one here that's giddy about this.

Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks- [Re: LAtrapper] #6403193
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LOL some of you guys kill me. REALLY look over your "pry it from my hands " logic. "BUMP STOCK " What is the application of one? Honest answer? To give one the ability to have the full auto effect. Are they there to improve accuracy? NO!! Will the fire arm not shoot with out it ? NO So!!! don't stand , sit , or lay down and claim "I need one because I'm American !!!" You guys make me sick !!!!!!!!!

If this is the only thing that gun owners loose after all that is happening we should count our selves lucky. Guess what I won't miss mine. Oh wait I didn't build a souped up tached out gizmo toten NON essential ASSAULT RIFLE !!!

But don't hate those who did. Just don't think your world will end because you no longer can empty a 50 round clip in under 15 seconds......

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