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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407085
12/23/18 06:45 PM
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Well Danny I don't see how having a strict fine equates to those wanting to hunt antlers being a problem, there has to be an incentive to prevent poaching !

I suppose your suggestion is to look the other way and just let it happen ? What do you suggest an incentive would be to prevent poaching of this size of deer , or any size for that matter ?


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407093
12/23/18 06:50 PM
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since people are still doing it here and they take guns and vehicles, right to hunt is taken, fines are imposed I don't think there is any way to stop it. sure seems a bit out of whack when the fine for poaching is more than the fine for say stealing gas or even driving drunk around a stopped school bus with the sign out. its just a deer. nothing more or less. I don't get whats so special about big antlers.


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: jbyrd63] #6407094
12/23/18 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
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Yep them there Amish are just using up so much space on Face book with their deer pics LOL



That's what the article said, that the picture of the deer was on Facebook.

The one you referred to.


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407096
12/23/18 06:52 PM
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I guess my opinion has been expressed clear enough. ill shut up now if nobody else asks me a question


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407160
12/23/18 08:33 PM
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Google whitetail exchange or whitetail deer farming look at some of these steroid freak deer they are farming and selling to advertise for horn hunters. Wow what people will pay to shoot these pen raised domestic deer horns and what they think they have accomplished. This Deer hunting has DESTROYED the small game hunting in nearly all of Western Ky and they wonder why kids are hooked on video games. It’s because they been sold out for a deer lease. They think if you squirrel hunt or rabbit hunt the deer will move to Oklahoma.
$28 K is absurd I dont care how many deer he killed.

Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407251
12/23/18 10:18 PM
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It said he paid the $28,000 fine in full to avoid the jail time. How do you just come up with $28,000 just like that ?

Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: WHSKR] #6407257
12/23/18 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WHSKR

$28 K is absurd I dont care how many deer he killed.



Some of you keep saying this.

To me the bottom line is this.

The size of the fine is irrelevant, as I will not knowingly break the law as this man did, especially when the consequences are so ridiculous.


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: Finster] #6407276
12/23/18 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Finster
I don't see the fine as ridiculous at all. I'll bet he doesn't do it again. In my mind, the point is not the deer per say. The point is it was done intentionally, dare I say with moral turpitude, greed and envy. This is also exacerbated by the fact that he tried to disguise it and cover his tracks. Obviously, before he ever pulled the trigger, he knew what he was doing was wrong, illegal and un-sportsman like but he did it anyway. I don't think it's to much of a fine at all for someone that so blatantly disregards the law. It's not about the deer.

Exactly Right.

And Quit whining about other crimes, it has nothing to do with those... Make All the punnishments hurt maybe people might think a little bit.


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: kyron4] #6407289
12/23/18 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kyron4
It said he paid the $28,000 fine in full to avoid the jail time. How do you just come up with $28,000 just like that ?
Amish, at least around here have "pools" where they pool their monies for such things like legal and insurance. They do not have insurance like you and I do, they have community monies that they all contribute to and the bishop and/or elders decide.


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: danny clifton] #6407313
12/23/18 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I guess my opinion has been expressed clear enough. ill shut up now if nobody else asks me a question
Danny, How do they get that peanut in the middle of that M&M???
grin


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407316
12/23/18 11:24 PM
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Alright I’ve got a couple different opinions on this one. One being I personally know a man that was hunting this deer. For any deer hunter that actually tries to pursue a deer of this caliber or any close to it knows the feeling of not being able to close the deal or someone else shooting it. In this case, this is the worst possible thing to happen. This guy chased this deer for 3 years and what’s ends up happening? An amishman poaches it.
That leads me to the second thing...... I’m very happy that ODNR officers actually pursued and convicted this Amish guy for poaching a deer. Countless times I have seen Amish have a get outta jail free card. They shoot anything that moves and a lot of them think they are impervious to the law. It just doesn’t apply to them. They also have no sense of safely and are careless when gun hunting in particular.... but that is a different subject.
The third thing is the fact that a lot of you are talking about the only reason he got the fine was because it was a 200 inch deer. Which I think lays behind ODNR itself. They pretty much gave an open pass to poachers when they switched from the metals tag a few years back. No more going to a tagging site or anything like that. People poach deer all the time... only reason he got caught was because of its antlers.


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: KeithC] #6407650
12/24/18 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
I would be very surprised if that deer was not of domestic deer stock. The Mount Hope Auction, where many thousands of domestic white tailed deer have been sold is right next to Millersburg. It would also explain why the buck appeared to wander aimlessly.

Keith

Mt Hope auction is 14 miles from Millersburg, I guess that would have been a possibility but the deer was shot in Coshocton Co. And wow, the PA amish are apparently a whole lot different then our amish. I have met some nice ones but even they won't let english on their land, for nothing. And most of the amish here have no regard for laws, they take everything they can get. I have seen them in action. As for the fine, I think it shouldn't be based on the size of the rack, but on the circumstance of the violation.


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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407683
12/24/18 12:08 PM
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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: danny clifton] #6407710
12/24/18 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407894
12/24/18 04:07 PM
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When you phone in these deer (not an option with most Amish) do you have to tell how many point a buck had, or just identify it as a buck?
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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: Hal] #6407944
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Yes Hal, they ask the number of points when you use the phone to tag your deer. That's the way I checked my Ohio buck in this year

Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: RM trapper] #6407947
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Thank you. I was barely familiar with the older check-in regulations let alone the new.
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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407951
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It is very convenient but I'm sure some guys take advantage of this and don't tag them. I kinda liked the old way of taking them to check station and having the metal tag put on and seeing what everyone has harvested. But this year I killed my buck right before dark and by the time I gutted him and took 2 hours to drag him out I was thankful for the option to just call it in

Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: ] #6407959
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Well, in all honesty, I want my deer muscled out before its stiff, and tossed in cold water to soak. If I had to drive 30 mile round trip with a dead deer, it would be cold time I went to butcher it.

Meadow Carp I say.
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Re: Ouch, look what the guy had to pay for this buck. [Re: Hal] #6407962
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Originally Posted by Hal
When you phone in these deer (not an option with most Amish) do you have to tell how many point a buck had, or just identify it as a buck?
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Wonder why he tried to swap the heads if he hadn't called it in MMMMMMM. Think he had that's how he got caught. If he had just skinned the first one no one could have doubted he killed the big one legally.

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