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Re: Two trap sets [Re: Teacher] #6416671
01/02/19 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Teacher
Locklear suggests 2 traps per set to get that critter which comes to the back door. In his Teachers of the Night coyote videos, virtually none of the coyotes spent more than seconds in front of the dirt hole.

When I started pocket gopher trapping a couple years ago, the idea of a canine approaching from the back side made more sense. I’d bet nothing wants to creep out to the waiting jaws of a predator. Yet, if the predator stands behind the hole, there is a better chance dinner will come out at some point and can be ambushed.


I have to say this: in the referenced videos the coyotes would not turn their back to the camera. Put the camera in back of the hole and watch the coyotes come in from the front. I can catch my share of the coyotes and all that is needed is a single trap in front of the hole/bait.

Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6464428
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Morgan Bennett uses two traps in front of the hole. Locklear uses two traps around his dirt holes. I believe I’ve seen older books by Paul Dobbins discussing two traps per set. It’s not a new concept and it looks like some people use it regularly to catch what’s coming to the attractors. The method isn’t wrong. It’s just what works for them.


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Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6465291
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Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6465306
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Two traps can get you this
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One at a set never will

Re: Two trap sets [Re: Mac] #6465377
02/18/19 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mac
Originally Posted by grey55
Hern - Learn more about the use of paste baits and lures to place in dirtholes.

I have learned that bait or lure sticks are a no no. Too easy for the target to get them out of the hole and then they lose interest and are gone. By using paste bait and smearing it around the hole as deep as I can get it makes it work much better. It gets impregnated into the dirt and makes the target animal work the set much longer. Lure use is the same way. By pouring it into the hole is gets into the dirt and does the same thing. Creates more interest and holds it longer. I also never leave a hole "naked" without at least partially plugging it with leaves, grass, whatever is natural to the area.




You schooling Hern on canines? Good one. LOL
That very kind of reaction is why a lot of excellent trappers with actual field experience have stopped offering help.
Nuff said.
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A lot of irony in that there post seeing how he's actually agreeing with the guy and supporting it with his own experience.

Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6465380
02/18/19 10:15 AM
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But I can make 100 sets with a 100 traps while you can only make 50 sets with a 2 trap set up.

And that's a cool picture but It's not a regular occurrence. You would be a lot farther ahead to make 2 or 3 sets In that location then putting 2 traps at one set.

With any kind of a decent backing or the right lure placement your going to have most critters working the set from the front where your trap Is placed. If you miss It In that set the other 2 In that same location should take It.


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Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6465428
02/18/19 11:12 AM
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I agree with you Beav, I only set like that on a very limited basis. That set was ment to catch some mangey reds and a coyote that I have been after for more than a year.
If I set two traps close it is what I call my walking dead set.
A baited d/hole with a blind set 4" away. I pick the spot for the blind set first and make the baited set accordingly.
The pic was a buried bait set.

Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6465446
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Re: Two trap sets [Re: wetdog] #6466235
02/19/19 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Two traps can get you this
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One at a set never will

I've seen pictures of two coyotes, two fox, and two coons in one set....can't say I've ever seen two bobcats in one trap......I've learned to never say never in trapping. That being said I'm sure I've already said it once in this thread, but I am still going with Beav here. It really depends if you're going for numbers or trying to kill the very last animal. If you're looking at strictly numbers 100 traps on 100 locations will out produce 100 traps on 50 locations.....just my opinion of course.


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Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6466645
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As a rule I don't put 2 traps per set. I try to let the set tell me if it needs 2. If I have a digging fox (or coyote) on more than one check at a set I will usually add a 2nd trap. If he digs to one side I might add the trap on the digging side and block the weak side a little harder but I usually leave the first trap pretty much centered to the hole. If the digging continues without a catch I will normally convert to a step down and if it is a fox he is usually there waiting on me it it doesn't rain. If I have refusals (that I can see) in front then I might add a 2nd trap 18-24" back. I sometimes do start out with 2 traps on a flat set if it is in a spot that I think I can blend both traps well...like in all dirt or sand. I usually won't if it is in sod.

Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6466649
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I think it would be interesting to see pictures of sets from people who regularly think they need two traps per set compared to pics from people who get it done with one. I bet there would be some obvious difference. I've seen some set pics on here for coyotes that were so open that I don't know if three traps would of been enough. If you pick your location for the set good enough there should only be room for one trap IMHO. Mark June's coyote book is really good about how to pick the micro location for the set.

Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6467032
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When I set more then one trap in area it is about 20 yards or less apart with different type of set.If you miss something in one you have a good chance to get them at the other set.I had that happened 2 times this season.On the same 2 set.


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Re: Two trap sets [Re: Teacher] #6467035
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Originally Posted by Teacher
Morgan Bennett uses two traps in front of the hole. Locklear uses two traps around his dirt holes. I believe I’ve seen older books by Paul Dobbins discussing two traps per set. It’s not a new concept and it looks like some people use it regularly to catch what’s coming to the attractors. The method isn’t wrong. It’s just what works for them.


I believe it was a Major Boddicker study that produced a statistic showing a catch rate increase of 30% at sets when using 2 traps. I'm sure Morgan will correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: Two trap sets [Re: bic] #6467060
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Originally Posted by bic
Originally Posted by Teacher
Morgan Bennett uses two traps in front of the hole. Locklear uses two traps around his dirt holes. I believe I’ve seen older books by Paul Dobbins discussing two traps per set. It’s not a new concept and it looks like some people use it regularly to catch what’s coming to the attractors. The method isn’t wrong. It’s just what works for them.


I believe it was a Major Boddicker study that produced a statistic showing a catch rate increase of 30% at sets when using 2 traps. I'm sure Morgan will correct me if I'm wrong.


So, that is the increase from a single set with single trap to a single set with double trap. I wonder how the catch rate compares between 2 single trap sets, to one set with two traps.

Re: Two trap sets [Re: yote65Ga] #6467411
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https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2018/02/full-3109-404296-image.png

if this link works this is the only time I have caught 2 cats in one set. Traps were only 8 or 10 inches apart and were on same drag...big log just to the right of the cats. Good day on the cat line.

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