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Fox Trapping Share #6421152
01/07/19 04:27 PM
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Hearing of fox trappers collecting their own fox urine I began attempting to do so. I didn't have much success. I tried different dispatch methods but it didn't seem to matter. I happen to notice the picture below.

Why is he carrying those foxes by the front legs? I had always carried mine by the back legs.

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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6421158
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I started handling them by the front legs. Quite a coincidence.

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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6421173
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I've hung them by front feet and back feet, but I didn't notice a difference. I'd love to have about 8 oz of bladder urine!


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6421182
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males most always have full bladder. females not so much. Consider the sex of the animals next time.


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6421188
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It's not that I didn't get any from the ones I toted by the back legs just that I'm getting a lot more since I switched.


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: bad karma] #6421190
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Originally Posted by bad karma
males most always have full bladder. females not so much. Consider the sex of the animals next time.


I have kept them separate and yes I have more male urine than female. A couple more weeks like the past 2 and I'll be caught up though. lol


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: bad karma] #6421204
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Originally Posted by bad karma
males most always have full bladder. females not so much. Consider the sex of the animals next time.


That's the way it's always been with mine.

I drive my truck right up to most of my sets Hobbie. Foxes are quickly dispatched and put in the back of the truck. The females will often pee at the trap site, I can smell it. The males usually don't.

They are weighed and hung in my fur shed by their back feet. I never noticed any urine leaking after dispatch.

So, I don't think the front leg carry makes a difference. But I'd be interested in hearing about your results if you continue this experiment for a while.


Eh...wot?

Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6421243
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I think the dispatch method makes a difference, ever since I started a new dispatch method I collect bladder urine from most all the fox I catch. Pm at you hobbie


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: David Morse] #6421254
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Send that to me also if you don't mind David.


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: MikeTraps2] #6421280
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Originally Posted by MikeTraps2
I've hung them by front feet and back feet, but I didn't notice a difference. I'd love to have about 8 oz of bladder urine!


PM sent.


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6421286
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I read in a trapping book that you should hang them from the front feet (I like to wrap wire around the mouth) for a few hours. This allegedly causes urine to collect in the bladder. I usually collect some from each fox, I haven’t been paying enough attention to keep records of male/female.
I will now though.


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6421312
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Guessing males will give you 5-10X as much as females, especially now in the breeding season.

Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6422282
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From this morning; two females and a male. Both females looked like this:

[Linked Image]


The male looked like this:

[Linked Image]


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6422285
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male won't pee without a toilet seat to dribble on.









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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6422308
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Do you keep male and female urine separate? Would there be any reason to do so?


The male sure does have more.


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I don't keep them separate and don't know any trappers that do.

I suppose a case could be made for keeping female-in-heat urine separate?


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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
The male sure does have more.



That female bladder was empty, that is the size of an empty bladder.


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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: DelawareRob] #6422349
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Do you keep male and female urine separate? Would there be any reason to do so?


The male sure does have more.


I have singular urine both male and female.

Is there any situation that might benefit from introducing a single fox?

Last edited by HobbieTrapper; 01/08/19 03:31 PM.

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Re: Fox Trapping Share [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6422356
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I don't keep them separate and don't know any trappers that do.

I suppose a case could be made for keeping female-in-heat urine separate?


Maybe to attract more males? But wouldn’t any urine do that?

Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Do you keep male and female urine separate? Would there be any reason to do so?


The male sure does have more.


I have singular urine both male and female.

Is there any situation that might benefit from introducing a single fox?



I don’t know the answer to that


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