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Interesting article. 62% of illegal immigration is due to visa overstays, not illegal border crossings. Mexicans account for less than half of illegal immigrants in the US. What do we do about it? Quit issuing visas, and just not have any immigration at all?

(None of this is to say that we don't need a wall, I think a wall provides economic benefits to the US)

I'm not sure I believe the statistic in that article.

"lies, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) lies, and statistics", as they say.

Do you have any evidence to show otherwise, or just your intuition?

Technically, a visa overstay is not illegal immigration. They came here legally, then became illegal when the visa expired.
What do we do about it? Well, nothing, apparently.
Detroit is 9.9% white population now. Chicago is 34% white. Houston is 34% white. On and on. It is so overwhelming by mass numbers nothing can be done, especially when those in political office refuse to do anything.
Some will scream white supremacy but statistics are statistics. I guess we call it evolution and deal with it.
I have a Mexican neighbor who came here when he was 18. He is now in his 30s at least. Married to a legal American and they have a child. He said it's not worth trying to apply for a visa as he has to send for paperwork back in Mexico, and it takes a couple years. I'd guess many illegals don't even have a birth certificate in their country of origin, but I may be all wet.
You know we're losing the battle, when Killery won the popular vote! We retained America by a very slim margin and look how our President is being slandered publicly without consequence.

Gary, coming on a visa is legal immigration, but once you over stay it, you become an illegal/undocumented immigrant. I'm not sure what skin color has to do with any of this though...

Well, what color is the skin of the illegals sneaking into the country???

Illegals account for 6% of California’s population or 3 electoral college votes

White, off-white, light brown, dark brown, black, yellowish, peach, redish....I think that about covers it. Maybe we can discuss their eye color too, or possibly the fact that most of them are less than 6'6" tall? Maybe we can imply that all people under 6'6" tall are criminals, as long as we're implying that skin color has something to do with criminality.

That fact is not convenient to those who want the focus on the southern border. Just like 99% of known and suspected terrorist that were caught from Oct. 1, 2017, to March 31, 2018 did not come though that border. And of the 41 who were caught there, 35 were either citizens or legal permanent residents.

Our politicians and their teams are masters as promoting distorted "facts" to gain support for cause they favor. It is dishonest and misleading, but most of them have been at it so long that they believe it as perfectly acceptable.

"Fake news" is anything but limited to only one of the parties.

No I don't have any objective evidence - just personal, anecdotal observations and healthy skepticism of anything I read or hear - especially from sources such as npr, which I listen to regularly.

No I don't have any objective evidence - just personal, anecdotal observations and healthy skepticism of anything I read or hear - especially from sources such as npr, which I listen to regularly.

Unless you've seen or met millions of illegals personally, I'm not sure anecdotes or personal experiences count. That's like saying "I've set coyote traps for the last 5 years, and only ever caught 1, and I've only seen 2 coyotes in person, so clearly there are very few coyotes in Nebraska". Sometimes what you see isn't the way things are. Healthy skepticism is good, but if you're going to counter an argument, you've got to produce some sort of evidence of your own to support your argument. I can argue all day long that there are only a handful of coyotes in Nebraska, but I've got no evidence to support that except my own personal, anecdotal observations. (I'm a terrible coyote trapper by the way )

Keep that blindfold over your eyes, and you won't see what's happening to our country! Carry on fellas.

Who's wearing the blindfold? The guy that uses evidence to show that most illegals come over legal and then overstay their visa, or the guys that say that's not true but can't produce any evidence show otherwise, or perhaps bring in skin color to the conversation when it has nothing to do with the mode of entry into the country?

I am skeptical of any reporting on either side. Here is why.

I am very knowledgeable on few subjects. Because of a lifetime of participating in trapping and hunting (55 years hunting, 53 trapping) I am experienced in them both. Hopefully we can agree that ther is little substitute for experience.

On this site do we not reach out for guidance from those with more experience? Thus experience to me mTters.

However, everything I read or hear from people with no knowledge of either of the above subjects is from flat out wrong to insanely wrong.

Sooooooo.......... the news, pundits, political figures, etc likely are espousing stuff they have no experience in. I figure what I am reading/seeing on a subject is likely wrong. This being based on the misinformation on subjects I do know.

Any data can be spun. Kids being killed by guns. The gun haters include all “kids” up to age 21. It includes gang shootings of criminals in this group. It includes innoncent children shot by these gangs.

So a person who is nuetral on guns hears this huge number and thus are swayed by what they hear.

Most numbers when it comes to illegals is a guess, there are 12 to 22 million here now. Pretty hard to say 60 some percent over stayed their visas.

President Trump is trying to give border patrol,homeland security and Ice the tools necessary to secure our borders.
Some just want to argue around it.

The Trump Admin. is trying to find out how many non citizens actually live here ,
an obama judge is trying to stop them , I wonder why the establishment doesn't want us to
know exactly how many there are ? Bet it would be shocking .N.Y. Times

Gary Benson:
Loosegoose:

I know exactly what the issue here is with the Liberals, RACISM! They will bring that issue up everytime when their argument is squashed.
They really don't have any other grounds to defend.

npr is real bad, propaganda at its worst......

NPR presents both side of the news storys they cover far better than most other sources. Their commentary pieces lean left, but they usually have someone that presents the counterpoints of what is being discussed.

If one wants to see fake news, purposely omitted facts, blatant favoritism, he only has to watch fox, msnbc, or cnn. Probably best to watch a little of all three just to see how each does it's best to mislead their listeners.

News was better when it didn't have to compete for listeners and viewers as the focus of how and what it reported.