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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: Lugnut] #6430005
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He left us with the highest school taxes in the County. An average 2,000-2,500 sq.ft new home will run the unlucky owners $9,000.00-$12,000.00 in annual school real estate taxes.[/quote]


holy molly....that's more than the house payment

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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: keets] #6430013
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Yeah, school taxes here can be as much as a mortgage.


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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: AntiGov] #6430035
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Holy moly lug,people around here constantly complain about our property taxes. I don't know anyone who pays 10k. I pay a little over 4k for 2 house and a little over 100acres. School taxes have held for several years but the county raises theirs all the time.

Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: gryhkl] #6430045
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The southeast and southwest corners of the state are hardest hit with insane school taxes. The tax amounts I quoted are for new construction. My modest home on three acres here in southeast PA costs me over $4,000.00 annually. My camp on five acres in north-central PA costs me about half that.

The farm adjacent to my southeast PA property was sold about ten years ago. It was subdivided into 11-20 acre lots, little farmettes for the horse lovers. A friend built a story-and-a-half home there and pays a little over $10,000.00 per year in school taxes. It's like an 1,800 sq.ft. house!

Folks in the rest of the state din't it quite as bad as we do in the southeast or southwest corners. That's why we run int resistance when trying to pass the Property Tax Elimination Act. We've (various groups I belong to) been trying for almost thirty years to get it passed. The current bill is HB 1776. Two years ago we came very close, a tie vote in the House. In such cases the Lt. Governor casts the deciding vote. Governor Wolf's lap dog Mike Stack had a disgusting smirk on his face as he killed the bill. Governor Wolf is owned by the Pennsylvania State Education Association as evidenced by his announced dumping of millions more into our already bloated, top-heavy education system and his unwillingness to address property tax elimination or even reform.


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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: Lugnut] #6430046
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Both my mortgages are paid but I don't own my properties, the state does. If I don't shell out in excess of six grand annully, they will take my properties from me and sell them at auction.

No tax should have the ability to leave you homeless.


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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: AntiGov] #6430060
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Property taxes. and taxes in general statewide, have been a problem since long before Tom Wolf.
Remember that corbet was the fool that raised our gasiline tax by 37 cents per gallon-the highest in the country! If I fill up once a week,that tax costs me over $400/year. I voted for that fool the first time but why are so many in my party afraid to admit the guy was terrible? Is it republican tax-good, democrat tax-bad?

Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: Lugnut] #6430070
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Both my mortgages are paid but I don't own my properties, the state does. If I don't shell out in excess of six grand annully, they will take my properties from me and sell them at auction.

No tax should have the ability to leave you homeless.

Exactly right.


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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: gryhkl] #6430096
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
Property taxes. and taxes in general statewide, have been a problem since long before Tom Wolf.
Remember that corbet was the fool that raised our gasiline tax by 37 cents per gallon-the highest in the country! If I fill up once a week,that tax costs me over $400/year. I voted for that fool the first time but why are so many in my party afraid to admit the guy was terrible? Is it republican tax-good, democrat tax-bad?


Don't you ever get tired of beating that dead horse? You just couldn't help yourself could you? You had to get a good point in for the Dems while taking a swipe at Reps.

Do your own homework grackle. The R's have been pushing for property tax elimination for at least twenty years. Guess who's been blocking it?


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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: AntiGov] #6431273
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That's what they keep saying. One thing we do know for sure, our last republican gov didn't hesitate to raise taxes for every citizen of the state that drives. Where was the outcry from the good conservatives in my party?---Probably working against a severance tax placed on the out of state interests that paid to put tommy corbit in office. He played his party loyal for fools and it worked.

I'd love to see my property taxes gone or at least lowered. If that happens where will the money come from to pay for the things it is used for now?

Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: AntiGov] #6431283
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At the very least, property taxes should cease on a persons primary residence when that person reaches retirement age. Local government has a lot more latitude to screw you over than the federal government ever dreamed of.

Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: gryhkl] #6431307
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I thought Corbett (our last R governor for out-of-staters) was an A-hole. But this thread is about teachers striking and school taxes.

The plan is and always has been to eliminate the school tax altogether, no reform because we all know that will be temporary. HB 76 has always been about total elimination. The state sales tax would be lowered to 5% and applied to items not currently subject to sales tax; mostly food and clothing. Feasibility studies have shown repeatedly that this will completely fund the state education system.

Currently in Pennsylvania, only homeowners and those owning real estate are taxed with the responsibility of supporting our education system. Nobody else pays into the system. Under the new plan, anybody who buys any product in PA helps to fund the education system. The tax base would be greatly expanded. It is a far more equitable plan than burdening a relatively small segment of our population (home-owners) with the sole support of education.

Of course the PSEA, various teachers unions and advocacy groups (lobbies) oppose it. Primarily because there would be oversight where none currently exists. No more unneeded high schools or multi million dollar sports stadiums. They (the Pennsylvania State Education Association ) want to continue to milk that cash cow unimpeded.

They don't give a crap how many senior citizens are kicked out of their homes or have to decide between paying their school tax and buying food or medicine.


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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: AntiGov] #6431393
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Just a troll being a troll, never fails as they change the subject just to get ya going.

Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: AntiGov] #6431419
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Pretty hard to get a raise from a sales tax, schools just ride the local Gov. wave of assessed value.

Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: Diggerman] #6431536
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I remember when I was getting school vouchers for 1/3 of what was spent on publicly educated children. The great part was how elitist I felt. crazy

P.S. we didn't spend a half of the third.

And it doesn't show at all.


I do feel I did a better job than the public schools would have done at a better value. Then again, we have poor schools that are really expensive. I am elitist in that I only care about my children's education. smile

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Re: Teachers fighting for students [Re: Rat Masterson] #6431656
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Pretty hard to get a raise from a sales tax, schools just ride the local Gov. wave of assessed value.


Exactly why we've not had an elimination bill passed in twenty years of trying!


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