A friend of mine had a meeting in San Diego, CA. He said on the street it was hard to find anyone who spoke English.

Is that 100% of the time?

I've brought this up on here many times with no takers. I can name a number of them on FOX. That's why it's fair to say FOX is more fair and balanced than the others.

I understand that. But you've got to understand that your experience in know way means this study is wrong, any more than my lack of ability to catch a coyote means that coyotes are rare in Nebraska.

LOL, his experience just like anyone's can prove YOUR study wrong as they are guessing by pitching numbers up to the wind. What exactly is your point of this thread may I ask?

My point is if you have no experience or understanding of who they are you don't,t know nothing other than what the press tells you

LOL, his experience just like anyone's can prove YOUR study wrong as they are guessing by pitching numbers up to the wind. What exactly is your point of this thread may I ask?

I'm afraid you're confused. Talking to hundreds or even thousands of illegals doesn't prove that most illegals get here by crossing the border illegally. Your sample size is too small. It's like catching 3 coyotes with fried chicken for bait and declaring that fried chicken is an excellent coyote bait. It might be, but you've not caught enough to make a decision one way or the other, all you've proved is that some coyotes are attracted to fried chicken. In the same sense, talking to hundreds or thousands of illegals isn't a large enough sample to prove anything. It just proves that the ones you talked to came over illegally by crossing the border. In other words, his experience doesn't dispprove this study, it just proves that the small sample of illegals he's talked to came by crossing the border illegally.

The point of my thread was just to show an interesting statistic. I didn't know people would get so upset over it, and for the life of me, I'm still not sure I understand why it would bother anyone so much, I've stated twice already that having 60 some percent get here by overstaying their visas in no way diminishes a need for a wall.

The numbers this study used are from border patrol/ice apprehensions, it's the best anyone can get for an estimate of how these people get here. Where do your numbers come from? Thin air, apparently, because you, along with everyone else that disagrees with this study, has shown zero evidence to show that the study being discussed here is wrong.

These lefty's on here have never spent much time in any south western state or its borders.

On another similar thread awhile back i challenged the liberals on here to take a field trip to east LA , i would give them $ 100 bucks for every American flag they seen. Of course no takers

Good grief, your study is like all the rest, based not on fact but on estimated figures. Your study is not more relevant than the other pointed out. I haven't seen anyone upset that more illegals may be coming in through a different way than crossing the southern border. I think what has kept this thread going so long is the fact that we are astonished that there are no facts lol. Prove your pulled out of the air statistic is better than the other pulled out of the air statistic lol. We killed a bear but pop shot it.

I'll say it again more directly. The article was written to trick stupid people, who think all Hispanics are Mexicans. The article makes stupid people happy because it sounds like the problem of illegal aliens invading from the Southern border is shrinking because less illegal alien Mexicans may be entering the US. The reporters are counting on stupid readers not thinking of the hordes of Guatemalans, Ecuadorians and huge masses of other Central Americans, South Americans and Hispanic Islanders invading through our Southern border.

Mexicans, the people talked about in the article, are a subgroup of Hispanics.

Hispanic does not equal Mexican, even if stupid people believe it does.

There is no accurate way to count how many illegal aliens enter, live in, or leave the US.

Keith

So, in other words, you all don't like the study because it some people may think it shows a lesser need for a border wall. Gotcha. At least that makes sense. I would say a border wall is still necessary, 30 something percent is still a large number. As far as the study being wrong, I'm not sure how many more different ways I can say it. I put forth a study to support something, and you all have disagreed. That's all fine and dandy. Studies are wrong sometimes, they can use for methodology, small sample sizes, skewed questions, etc. But here's the thing: Nobody has shown any evidence. Not a shred. Zip. Zilch. Nada. You're telling me it's wrong, but you're pulling it out of your butts, unless you can show me otherwise. Prove your point. Show me a study that shows a majority of arrested illegals crossed the border illegally. Show me statistics that most immigrants on visas go home. Show me the methodology used in the study and explain to me why it's wrong. Show me statistics from the border patrol/ice. Something. Anything. Be able to argue your point with evidence, instead of just telling me I'm wrong with nothing to back it up. Iff you can't support your position, then why would I even begin to change my mind?

Who cares about your study or any other for that matter.

Its been a serious problem for decades and if we dont take drastic measures now, it will become irreversable

I would agree that's it's a serious problem that needs to addressed. No arguments there.

Here's what's happening here as I see it...

My position: most illegal immigrants are here by way of overstaying visas, not illegal border crossings.
My evidence: A news article that quotes a study.

Everyone else's position: your wrong!!!
Everyone else's evidence:. *crickets chirping*

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How would anyone know how many illegals sneak across the border? Over staying a visa is known number the other is a guess.

Only two other people on this entire thread sounded like they were sure you were wrong about most illegal aliens being here by overstaying their visas. Your reading comprehension is bizarre. Go back, read the thread and try to name 3, out of the large number who posted, who said they knew you were wrong.

Keith

Exactly!!

Now I hear those crickets lol.....