I shot a bison with a .308
#6432141
01/18/19 12:16 AM
01/18/19 12:16 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755 Nevada
thrstyunderwater
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755
Nevada
|
I thought I'd throw this out to the internet. Rifle: Ruger M77 Mark II All-Weather, Stainless Caliber: .308 Powder: 41.1 grains IMR 4064 Primer: Winchester Rifle Brass: PMU Bullet: Barnes 168 grain TTSX I sure have shot a lot of critters with this gun, had it 20 years. I got invited to go on a bison hunt a few months ago. I wanted to pick up a .300 win mag, just didn't come to fruition. I'm pretty happy how things turned out. I shot a 2 year old bull (oldest animal I could harvest). Probably weighed 800 lbs or so, got 300lbs of meat. I took a 270 yard shot from a prone position. The bullet hit the front quarter, broke the humerus in half, hit a rib, went through both lungs, broke another rib, and was lodged in the far front quarter. No bone contact in the far front quarter. I need to shoot through a chronograph, however with an educated guess of 2700 fps at the muzzle, the bullet should have traveled around 2100 fps upon impact. After I got home I weighed the bullet, 166.7 grains. I think Barnes bullets are pretty great.
Pat, as usual, you are right....
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432159
01/18/19 12:30 AM
01/18/19 12:30 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 398 South Dakota
Staner
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 398
South Dakota
|
.308 is my favorite deer caliber...glad to see it worked so well and you certainly got your money's worth out of that bullet - thanks for the pics!
Badges?? We don't need no stinkin' badges!!!
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432165
01/18/19 12:35 AM
01/18/19 12:35 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 34,872 Central, SD
Law Dog
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 34,872
Central, SD
|
When I was looking for a elk rifle I did a lot of research and I noticed the 308 got a lot of respect I mean a lot over other bullets I was surprised.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432171
01/18/19 12:43 AM
01/18/19 12:43 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,482 Ne pa
Jerry Jr.
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,482
Ne pa
|
This is what barnes bullets are for. The bullets are designed well. Surprised that it did not pass through but glad I got to see it. I know what I will be using for my next big game hunt. They are accurate and hit like the hammer of Thor! I have shot them but was a little unsure on how they would expand at 300 yards. I now know what to expect.
Time is more precious than gold if you know how to spend it .... but what do I know, I'm just a dumb farmer.~My Dad NRA LIFE MEMBER, Endowment Member
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432277
01/18/19 07:57 AM
01/18/19 07:57 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,046 North East Kansas
Marty
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,046
North East Kansas
|
.308 is probably one of the best rifle calibers.
Congrats on your buffalo......how much meat did you get from it?
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432329
01/18/19 09:02 AM
01/18/19 09:02 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,240 ny
upstateNY
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,240
ny
|
Buddy of mine from Main says that his whole family uses the .308 for their moose hunting up there.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432343
01/18/19 09:16 AM
01/18/19 09:16 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 711 Near state college, PA, God Bl...
trapre
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 711
Near state college, PA, God Bl...
|
That particular Ruger is probably the most beautiful non-tactical gun ever created by human beings! We have one chambered in a .243. I would drop everything to get one in a .308. Nothing beats a .308 IMO.
Sweet experience! That sounds like a blast!
"To not read the news is to be uninformed. To read the news is to be misinformed" -Mark Twain
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: trapre]
#6432353
01/18/19 09:28 AM
01/18/19 09:28 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,240 ny
upstateNY
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,240
ny
|
That particular Ruger is probably the most beautiful non-tactical gun ever created by human beings! We have one chambered in a .243. I would drop everything to get one in a .308. Nothing beats a .308 IMO.
Sweet experience! That sounds like a blast! I have the 77 in .243 also.Its a tack driver.I too would like it in .308.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: Allan Minear]
#6432371
01/18/19 09:48 AM
01/18/19 09:48 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,029 Otsego, MI 66
K-zoo
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,029
Otsego, MI 66
|
thrstyunderwater - What kind of scope are you using on that Ruger?
Member NTA, MTPCA, FTA, NRA, MUCC 2 Cor. 5:17
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432404
01/18/19 10:27 AM
01/18/19 10:27 AM
|
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 5,898 michigan,USA
seniortrap
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 5,898
michigan,USA
|
The 3.08 has been a favorite for the military in the M-14 (M21 now), because of its cost and ability to reach out.
That's what a lot of us qualified on at Fort Knox in 1966. Up to 400 yards was the distance. Starting at 100 yds., 200yds., 300 yds. and 400.
Mind you with a rear peep sight!!
Vietnam--1967 46th. Const./Combat Engineers
"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432505
01/18/19 12:01 PM
01/18/19 12:01 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,065 NY
rendezvous
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,065
NY
|
Any pictures of the trophy, hero shots?
Let's go Brandon!
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6432519
01/18/19 12:11 PM
01/18/19 12:11 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,274 NWT
Ryan McLeod
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,274
NWT
|
Right on. More evidence you don’t need a cannon to get the job done. Good job.
If you take care of the land the land will take care of you
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: Ryan McLeod]
#6432672
01/18/19 02:56 PM
01/18/19 02:56 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755 Nevada
thrstyunderwater
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755
Nevada
|
.308 is probably one of the best rifle calibers.
Congrats on your buffalo......how much meat did you get from it? About 300 lbs. That includes rib bones and liver/heart. thrstyunderwater - What kind of scope are you using on that Ruger? I had a Leupold Vari-X II 3x9x40 for years while I grew up in Missouri. Plenty for Missouri whitetail, Alaska black bear, and Hawaii pigs. Then I got to Utah and realized Kentucky windage only gets you so far. I but a Burris E1 4.5x14 with a long range MOA reticle on it. I like it a lot https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes...ries/fullfield-e1-riflescope-4.5-14x42mmNever been on a buffalo hunt. Are they found in the wild? If so is it legal to take a wild buffalo? Depends on your definition of wild. Utah, Montana, Wyoming, and Arizona offer some hunts. This was on a ranch. Any pictures of the trophy, hero shots?
Pat, as usual, you are right....
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: flash]
#6432749
01/18/19 04:20 PM
01/18/19 04:20 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,757 Wy
Cattrax
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,757
Wy
|
Barnes triple shock bullets are good bullets, just aren't as good BC as many others on the market, I have 2 .308 caliber 168 grain bullets recovered out of my wife's bull bison, 1 was full weight as loaded, the other broke some major bone and broke off the 4 points, her bull was over 2000 pounds live weight, 968 pounds hanging weight, and right at 600 pounds meat.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: Cattrax]
#6432914
01/18/19 07:33 PM
01/18/19 07:33 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755 Nevada
thrstyunderwater
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755
Nevada
|
Barnes triple shock bullets are good bullets, just aren't as good BC as many others on the market, I have 2 .308 caliber 168 grain bullets recovered out of my wife's bull bison, 1 was full weight as loaded, the other broke some major bone and broke off the 4 points, her bull was over 2000 pounds live weight, 968 pounds hanging weight, and right at 600 pounds meat. What .308 cal bullets do you prefer? I know you're an avid long distance hunter. What bullets did your wife use?
Pat, as usual, you are right....
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: Marty]
#6433150
01/18/19 11:24 PM
01/18/19 11:24 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,165 Central NC
traprjohn
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,165
Central NC
|
.308 is probably one of the best rifle calibers. and cartridges...………....caliber is bullet diameter, I'm thinking. I knew a family of 5 when I lived in Idaho and each shot a 308 Win and each took elk and muley and antelope every year...…......Great Cartridge!
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6433153
01/18/19 11:27 PM
01/18/19 11:27 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,165 Central NC
traprjohn
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,165
Central NC
|
however with an educated guess of 2700 fps at the muzzle, the bullet should have traveled around 2100 fps upon impact. that info is in the back of a Hornady book, or at least it used to be
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6435886
01/21/19 12:22 PM
01/21/19 12:22 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,757 Wy
Cattrax
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,757
Wy
|
Barnes triple shock bullets are good bullets, just aren't as good BC as many others on the market, I have 2 .308 caliber 168 grain bullets recovered out of my wife's bull bison, 1 was full weight as loaded, the other broke some major bone and broke off the 4 points, her bull was over 2000 pounds live weight, 968 pounds hanging weight, and right at 600 pounds meat. What .308 cal bullets do you prefer? I know you're an avid long distance hunter. What bullets did your wife use? Pat she used the tipped triple shock 168 grain Barnes, out of her 30-06, it was a touch over 100 yards I believe, we found 2 of them when processing him. I like the Berger bullets for long range stuff, tried some others that were supposed to be long range, they flew well, but they didn't open up at long range like the Bergers do, a couple only pin holes critters, every Berger I used expanded great, the Barnes just don't have the BC to carry like the Bergers, but I like how well the Barnes bullets work though at closer ranges.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: traprjohn]
#6436472
01/22/19 01:51 AM
01/22/19 01:51 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755 Nevada
thrstyunderwater
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755
Nevada
|
Beautiful bison. I don't know about anyone else, but I am jealous of that dry ground. Have you sampled the meat? It's absolutely remarkable. Pat, If I remember correctly Cattrax wife was shooting his 300 Win Mag. He likes the Barnes as he and I have discussed the performance and penetration you get shot after shot with them. Tom has been shooting the 26 Nosler with the Berger VLD Hunting Bullets on elk with some incredible shots and quick dispatch.
I have smoked some darn huge boar hogs with the Barnes 53 grain and 62 grain pills out of my 22-250 and .223. The longest shot was with the 250 at just over 500 yards. He dropped like a ton of bricks. I did get an exit too.
I enjoyed our reloading conversations all summer and early fall. Darn happy for you and the critters you harvested this year with your current setups. Job well done my friend. Thanks a bunch David, I really appreciate your advice! however with an educated guess of 2700 fps at the muzzle, the bullet should have traveled around 2100 fps upon impact. that info is in the back of a Hornady book, or at least it used to be Traprjohn, you have great advice too! I don't own a Hornady book, I generated those numbers from ballisticapp.
Pat, as usual, you are right....
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6436478
01/22/19 02:24 AM
01/22/19 02:24 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340 se South Dakota
NonPCfed
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340
se South Dakota
|
I bought my first center fire rifle when I was 13 (ok, I gave my money to my dad who handed it to his friend). It was a .30-06 in a Win 670. Bit of kick for a 145-150 lb kid. Shot my first deer with it when I was a senior in hs (deer tags in my part of SD were a lot harder to get then). My bro finishe dup his first stint in the Army in 1979 and came home with a pile of spent military .308 and a basic reloading die. I bought my first .308 when I was 19 and have shot one ever since.
At the time, a .308 was fairly uncommon as a deer/antelope rifle in SD. That scene was dominated by .30-06, .270, and .243. The .30-06 crowd always used to say, "well, my cartirdge can shoot 300 fps faster than ours so it must be better." Bro and me went to a lighter bullet to get more speed and started off with a 110 grain hollow point (don't judge me, just telling the history of nearly 35+ years ago). The 110 was extremely accurate and killed deer and antelope but it was also messy and I got tired of cutting away more blood shot meat than I probably needed to so I went to a 125 grain load (first Speer, and now Nosler). That load and speed (I figure about 2900 fps with my powder load but never actually tested) has been plenty big for any deer and antelope in this state. I've never shot anything big, such as you did, but I think with patience for the right placement and the right load (such as your Barnes 168), that round can bring down big stuff.
Nice action!! Enjoy the good eats!!!
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6436571
01/22/19 09:06 AM
01/22/19 09:06 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,065 NY
rendezvous
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,065
NY
|
Very nice picture, well done!
Let's go Brandon!
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6436891
01/22/19 03:39 PM
01/22/19 03:39 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 605 Montana
J. Brooks
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 605
Montana
|
Cool deal. Thanks for the write up and specifics on your setup. 300 pounds of meat should give you plenty of fodder for trying new recipes. For general purpose hunting inside 500-600 yards I love the .308 TTSX. I launch 180s from my Ruger All-Weather .300 at 2975 mv and have zero complaints on performance the last several years I have been using them. I just try to keep impact velocity over 2000 fps (which for my rifle is almost 600 yards) and have never had a problem with terminal performance with game harvested from 75-465 yards. I did recover one out of bull elk I killed in 2017. Picture perfect mushroom and with a little blood and hair it was right at 180 grains, essentially 100% weight retention minus the pretty blue tip. It was under the hide on the offside from a broadside shot through the ribs and the impact would have been around 300 yards and close to 2450 fps. Pretty shocked it didn't exit. I have not recovered any others out of deer, bear, or several other elk. One bull had been hit but we weren't sure how well so I took a going away follow up shot that entered above the bulls hip and traveled the length of the animal. When we quartered it (gutless method), there was bloodshot meet clear up near his neck. That is a lot of penetration and the bull went down quick with that shot. I honestly don't know if it exited as it was dark, we had two bulls down and I wasn't interested in a necropsy My kids have killed a pile of stuff with the little 85 TSX in a couple different .243s. Not a long range bullet at all but plenty adequate for big game inside 250-300 yards depending on your muzzle velocity. My kids shoot stubby little youth rifles and just can't squeak many fps out of them. It has proven to be a very fur friendly bullet as well with solid chest hits. Again, nice job and thanks for the details on your setup and the hunt!
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: J. Brooks]
#6436910
01/22/19 04:03 PM
01/22/19 04:03 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755 Nevada
thrstyunderwater
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755
Nevada
|
Cool deal. Thanks for the write up and specifics on your setup. 300 pounds of meat should give you plenty of fodder for trying new recipes. For general purpose hunting inside 500-600 yards I love the .308 TTSX. I launch 180s from my Ruger All-Weather .300 at 2975 mv and have zero complaints on performance the last several years I have been using them. I just try to keep impact velocity over 2000 fps (which for my rifle is almost 600 yards) and have never had a problem with terminal performance with game harvested from 75-465 yards. I did recover one out of bull elk I killed in 2017. Picture perfect mushroom and with a little blood and hair it was right at 180 grains, essentially 100% weight retention minus the pretty blue tip. It was under the hide on the offside from a broadside shot through the ribs and the impact would have been around 300 yards and close to 2450 fps. Pretty shocked it didn't exit. I have not recovered any others out of deer, bear, or several other elk. One bull had been hit but we weren't sure how well so I took a going away follow up shot that entered above the bulls hip and traveled the length of the animal. When we quartered it (gutless method), there was bloodshot meet clear up near his neck. That is a lot of penetration and the bull went down quick with that shot. I honestly don't know if it exited as it was dark, we had two bulls down and I wasn't interested in a necropsy My kids have killed a pile of stuff with the little 85 TSX in a couple different .243s. Not a long range bullet at all but plenty adequate for big game inside 250-300 yards depending on your muzzle velocity. My kids shoot stubby little youth rifles and just can't squeak many fps out of them. It has proven to be a very fur friendly bullet as well with solid chest hits. Again, nice job and thanks for the details on your setup and the hunt! I'm definitely going to try some new recipes. I was of the impression as long as the bullet was over 1800 fps a Barnes bullet would open. Do you use 2000 to be on the safe side? I'm wanting to work up a load for my 22-250 using a 52 grain Barnes TSX. Wanting to use it on Missouri whitetail and coyotes. I imagine for coyotes there will always be two holes, just curious how big that second hole will average.
Pat, as usual, you are right....
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6436928
01/22/19 04:33 PM
01/22/19 04:33 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 602 Alabama
2ndjoborfun
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 602
Alabama
|
How much of an education I get from Trapperman!
Thanks folks
“In God is our trust!” And the star-span-gled ban-ner in tri-umph shall wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave! Francis Key
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6436949
01/22/19 05:00 PM
01/22/19 05:00 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 776 MN, USA
star flakes
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 776
MN, USA
|
For all the euphoria for the 308 and other light cartridges on buffalo, the buffalo listed were not adult males and the other was a female. The bullets utilized and loads were specially put together and none of them went through a ball joint. The Barnes is designed for shots that end up in leg bones, but in the dynamics of shooting, a fraction of an inch either side could have deflected this bullet to areas which were non lethal. These same loads on mature bull buffalo may have resulted in a broken leg, little lung damage and running after a buffalo all day filling it with lead. I have been on buffalo hunts and studied their effects. While category observations are not the end all, I have seen a 30.06 put down a cow and she was still quivering while a 7 mm mag put down a cow and she did not move. The factors there are bullet placement, bullet and energy transfer. I have witnessed a 300 magnum put down a bull buffalo which then had an idiot blazing away at the dying animal with a Colt 45 to finish it off. People get blinders on when it comes to reading about bullet loads. They see 308 and they think a Russian or a Remington PSP will suffice, when it will not. I still prefer big heavy wads of lead moving slow. I am planning a future hunt with an 1874 Remington Rolling Block in the 12.7 Swedish cartridge based on the 50 70. I still want to acquire the 9.3 German that Osa Johnson used in her exploits in Africa shooting lions. That is a beautiful hunting cartridge for heavy game with moderate recoil. I focus on the reality of guns and loads because as a child I believed all the gun articles in how the 243 Winchester was a deer killer. I was using Winchester 100 PSP on a mature 4 point (western count) and I messed up the first shot. The shots that followed, one blew up on the shoulder, and the only shot presented last was the Texas Jugular which failed to penetrate to the spine. I loved that 243 as it was in a 600 Remington Mohawk and it was a tack driver out to 400 yards, but with factory loads of the time it was not a mature northern whitetail load. I am pleased the gun and load turned out, but for those who read 308 and their next mantra is the 308 is a buffalo killing machine to all of their friends children, remember those were designed loads and not more affordable deer hunting loads on small deer. And no I am not of the 308 fan club, because I am of the era when the 308 was still NATO, was poorly loaded and had problems even with deer as numbers of hunters discovered. The 308 becoming a versatile light hunting load for large game is recent as is the 9 mm finally having acceptable bullets placed into it.
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: thrstyunderwater]
#6436975
01/22/19 05:40 PM
01/22/19 05:40 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 605 Montana
J. Brooks
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 605
Montana
|
I'm definitely going to try some new recipes.
I was of the impression as long as the bullet was over 1800 fps a Barnes bullet would open. Do you use 2000 to be on the safe side?
I'm wanting to work up a load for my 22-250 using a 52 grain Barnes TSX. Wanting to use it on Missouri whitetail and coyotes. I imagine for coyotes there will always be two holes, just curious how big that second hole will average.
I used 2000 to be safe. Probably fine at 1800, especially with a TTSX, but too many stories of monos penciling through so I try to hedge my bet. With the .300 it is never really an issue at the ranges I typically target game. Would be with a .308. Be sure you have an adequate twist on your .22-250 to stabilize the 52 TSX. Can't speak for exits with that bullet but broadside coyotes shot with an 85 TSX tend to give caliber size entrance and quarter size exits. Usually nice, round and easy to sew up. Not like some of the train wrecks I see with varmint bullets that were "supposed" to stay inside the carcass. Like anything, stay out of the neck, spine and big bones and you will be a lot happier with the result. I have some 45 TSX loaded for my wife's .22-250 but never have tested them on fur yet.
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: Sheepdog1]
#6437756
01/23/19 04:17 PM
01/23/19 04:17 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755 Nevada
thrstyunderwater
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755
Nevada
|
Pat, on the coyotes with the 22-250 and the 53 grain TSX, exit about the size of a dime Thanks, that's pretty manageable. Sounds like a good whitetail/coyote load. I've never met a deer that did well with dime sized holes in the vitals.
Pat, as usual, you are right....
|
|
|
Re: I shot a bison with a .308
[Re: star flakes]
#6437762
01/23/19 04:19 PM
01/23/19 04:19 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755 Nevada
thrstyunderwater
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,755
Nevada
|
The Barnes is designed for shots that end up in leg bones, but in the dynamics of shooting, a fraction of an inch either side could have deflected this bullet to areas which were non lethal. I appreciate the countering opinion. I would counter the bullet very much broke through the bone (humerus) and kept going. Couldn't any bullet of any diameter/make glace off a bone and then not be lethal?
Pat, as usual, you are right....
|
|
|
|
|