As a fur trapper I'm opposed to using poison in most of these cases.
Fur bearing animals should be considered an asset, not a liability that should be eradicated.
This article might be bad news for exterminators, but not for fur trappers.

Not good

Agree Waggler!

I am inclined to say that the control trapper should of got slapped, in more ways than one. If I remember this story, he was using m-44s right next to a subdivision. A total lack of discernment. The m-44 is a tool in the control trappers arsenal and has a legitimate place. Reminds me of a few years ago when I was in Wyoming a guy set some snares on some state land right next to a subdivision and caught 2 high price dogs and of course they died. Dosnt mean we should outlaw snares. Just means there are trappers out there with a lack of discernment!

But there's no shortage of people that let their Dog's run loose.

True that!

Widely used in the West in remote areas and the area must be posted just a expense saver as they don't require check as often as traps do. 1X use that won't harm cattle because of the does VS body weight balance. 1080 poison I believe is still used in sheep country and single bite collar kills the yote when attacked. Setting next to a subdivision is just plain stupid out here 5 miles from the nearest home place they have a place.

And there is no shortage of students coming to Montana Universities that's completely against hunting and trapping in the state providing their education.

Hunting/trapping, and poisoning are things that should not be discussed in the same context.

In my opinion poisoning has no place in Wildlife Management, it may have a place in specific cases to eradicate a particular predator, such as being used on sheep collars were the specific animal that attacks the sheep is killed. If we as Trapper's try to defend the use of poison, in most cases we will be on the losing end of the argument.

I'm just playing the devils advocate but when this happened it was posted on here and I made mention of one very simple point and that is there is a leash law in all 50 states. Where M-44's when set there's signage that is to be posted on each gate going into the pasture then signs around each M-44 on 4 corners around each one . So it would be difficult at best for a dog that was on a leash to be harmed or killed by a M-44
Well now it's time to pop some popcorn and grab something to drink while all the wet hens come after me for supporting a good predator control device. Which has successfully been used to protect livestock for many years and kept producer's in business while feeding the world.

The guys that don't use them or can't use them will give us the best replies I look forward to that! LOL

I was just shocked to read the person in the picture wasn't a female.

Location has a lot to do with it loose dogs do not roam the West in cattle and sheep country just not a smart move for the amount of livestock that's out there unwatched most of the time and worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Down South a stray dog has more rights then the landowner has in some places here you keep it on a leash, it goes where you go or stays in the yard and if they wander it won't end well then.


In the 40 years I have lived in SD anytime a stray or unleashed dog has been around no good has come from it.

How do you hunt with a dog on a leash?

P.S. Dogs get loose all the time, so I don't know how a law prevents this.


IMO trappers need to anticipate these problems as best they can.

Has anyone thought of ,
Bad thing happen to good people?
And good thing happen to Bad people such as life.
A lot of this bickering is alot of problem people have with WWS???
Ask yourself this if it was your sheep or cattle getting killed everynite costing you your livelihood.
Would you use any legal means available to you???

It's quite simple Dirt voice commands and re read what I posted above there are signs posted when M-44's are in use that's a major point when you try to get a applicators license to use M-44's they were successfully used and tested in Alaska also the amount of studying and knowledge needed to have before even getting a chance to take the test is to me impressive.
Yes dogs can and will wander off around some livestock producers it turns out badly for the dog, I've trapped on more than one ranch where if you seen one of their dogs out wandering around away from the main house they wanted you to shoot it no questions asked, which was something I personally have never done.

I don't think the issue is just about dogs, it's wildlife too.
Everyone seems to make it a dog thing.

I think the cattle/sheep guys "anticipate" that their livestock is at risk of being destroyed or injured, then that dog suddenly has no owner or has one that can't make good on the losses when they go "wild" then they get the short end and the dog owner skates on the responsibility for the damages and vet fees. Like said its posted that they are in use and in places around the area, a dog would be a long way from where is should not be in the first place.

What are you getting at wildlife? You might me mixing up 1080 with cyanide not the same thing.