The study published Friday by Mohammad Fazel-Zarandi, a senior lecturer at MIT’s Sloan School of Management, estimates there are about 22.1 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. today. Most frequently cited estimates put the number between 11 and 12 million.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/mit-study-illegal-immigrants-double/

This is from a study done by MIT. They go on to explain why the the total can very that much. How in the world can ANYONE claim to know when it can not be verified? I see most of these counts as no more then a SWAG. I do know when I was in west central Illinois that the packing houses were almost all Latino workers. There was in one I know had a warning system for raids by ICE. They would filter back in a week or so later. The packing house was in shut down until it could restaff. Many of the construction jobs are filled by them as well.

It is a huge problem weather they came in with a visa or if they walked across the border. I say build the wall to help stem the flow then concentrate on way to weed the rest out. Kind of like trying to bail a boat or with a hole bigger then the bucket we are bailing with now as I see it.

Churp churp....;.

The one spot on observation in this thread: News was better when it didn't have to compete...

I'm pretty sure that anyone who wanted to come here to work in a packing plant wouldn't have a problem getting a green card.. But they do have to apply instead of just forcing their way in.

No crickets! Just in bed getting my beauty rest

How about 8?

Kart 29: I'm not sure I believe the statistic in that article.

Gary Benson: I'm sure the starving women and children in the caravans coming towards the border have their visas in hand....

Seniortrap: Loosegoose: Your opinions are not facts. Proof is material presented to back your argument.

Eric space: A study promoted by the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) is frankly, not too valid. Any and all "studies" are able to be set in the way the organization conducting the study wants them to go simply by how the asked questions are framed and/or where the questions are asked.
If you look at New York, where CMS is from, you will have a disproportionate amount of visa overstays because of the 3 major airports there. Go outside the city even 60 miles where I am and it is primarily from south of the border.
But lets use their figures and say 38% are from illegal border crossing. If a wall cuts down 1/3 of that amount it would be 13% of the illegals coming in. The wall would still be a huge savings considering the amount we pay for educating, policing and healthcare for those 13%.

Rat Masterson: Most numbers when it comes to illegals is a guess, there are 12 to 22 million here now. Pretty hard to say 60 some percent over stayed their visas.

Wr Otis: Loosegoose reads some propaganda which happens to be on NPR, and declares the article absolute fact. That's your opinion, of your comprehension, of another man's opinion of the factuality, of the source of information. Here's what makes that absolute truth, NOTHING. Not your opinion, and not reporters.

Flipper: My point is if you have no experience or understanding of who they are you don't,t know nothing other than what the press tells you.

Please note that in all the above comments? Everyone tells me they're not sure my statistic is true, or that it's an opinion, or that I just don't know, etc, etc. Yet nobody offers their own evidence to refute what I said.

How about this....present some evidence. Show me something, anything, to show that most illegals come through the border and not through overstayed visas. Otherwise you're just blowing hot air.

https://www.politifact.com/californ...-visa-overstays-account-half-all-people/

Here's a fact-check article. Hard to tell, since we don't really know how many cross illegally. stop these people and we will have a better idea of who's here and who's not.

(I'd sooner have a college student overstay their visa, than a drug dealer stay who crossed illegally.)

Loosegoose, the MIT study was where I got my 22 million illegals, prove there not here. This study holds the same credibility as yours.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...rep-gutierrez-says-40-percent-illegal-i/

" Specifically, the estimate ranged from 38 percent to 50 percent. The report split the difference by proposing a figure of 45 percent.

So based on this measure, Gutierrez is accurate. In fact, he's being cautious, sticking to the low end of the spectrum.

It is still just a GUESS.

Gooses article cherry picked the two years illegal crossings were low (to raise the %) to write an article against Trumps wall.

Per the article, it's the last seven years that visa overstays have exceeded illegal border crossings, not just the last two. And illegal border crossers still far outnumber visa overstayers in the overall population of illegals currently living in the US, indicating that border crossing used to be by far the most popular way for them to get in, it's just in the last 7 years that visa overstays have been more popular.

And I'm not opposed to a wall.

That politifact article is from 2010, 9 years ago. The article I posted said visa overstays have been the leading method of illegals on the last 7 years. So the politifact article may very well be accurate for all I know, but it doesn't do anything to refute the article I posted.

The 62% number you quoted was for two years.

From the article I posted "a new study finds that for the seventh consecutive year, visa overstays far exceeded unauthorized border crossings.

The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally."

62% were visa overstayers In 2016 and 2017, but it also says that this is the 7th year visa overstayers have exceeded illegal crossings. I haven't looked up past years data. but I'd have to logically it's somewhere between 50% and 62%.

And look at the group they got their numbers from for the article. hmmmmm

I'll put more faith in the other research that has been posted.

What other research? Can you direct me to the other research that was posted? I must have missed it. Seriously. I'm open to looking at it.