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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6446491
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What, did we finially wring all the avalible tax dollars out of the regular tabacco smokers while beating down that bad habit?

Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: trapper les] #6446544
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Are the pot heads really going to rise to power ? Will they be the movers and the shakers ? I doubt it. No threat there.


We said the same about those without common sense 25 years ago.


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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: bowhunter27295] #6446623
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I'm with ya Pat, I have no time for the crap, but I don't care what anyone does in their home.

Friedman said it best and I'm paraphrasing here, prohibition benefits the government, those involved in the court systems and the cartels the most.

The war on drugs is an integral part of the welfare state.


Legalization benefits the government via taxation and the resulting wealth redistribution. Politicians want more tax money any way they can. It helps to buy votes.



Because of prohibition, how many people are employed in the prison system, various law enforcement agencies, lawyers, judges, social workers, probation officers and on and on and on.

Prohibition benefits the swamp that is the government way more they, just tax you, I and everyone else to pay for it.

At least if it were legal they could tax those that make the choice to use it pay for any negative impacts it may have and let you and I keep our money.

Last edited by Steven 49er; 01/31/19 10:44 AM.

"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: bowhunter27295] #6446637
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by patfundine
Legalize it, and tax it. Just because it's legal non users will not become pot heads.


I personally never have used or have any interest in pot. I also have never cared if people want to use it.


I have no problem with what people do in their own home. But to think an inebriated person will make logical decisions and know they must stay at home is to ignore reality.


To think that prohibition will stop them from doing it and then leaving their own home is an even bigger ignorance of reality, they are already doing it.

You are trying to legislate safety over freedom. As a non user of alcohol or any mind altering substance, I'll take freedom.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6446758
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Heard this morning that new MN Governor wants to legalize pot. Just got off the phone with a guy that said there is also a bill that would allow someone to only purchase one firearm per year. The catch is if you are a pot user, you wouldn't be able to purchase any firearm. Anybody else hear about this?
I wish politicians would work on projects that will actually produce real results for the voters other than trying to be as politically correct as they can. We have completely legalized pot here in Colorado and it didn't produce nearly the tax revenue projected, I think because it's an all cash business, and pot shop owners ,and weed bar owners decide to keep the unreported cash. It also pretty much de-motivates workers when they are stoned A LOT, and you have to watch out for the driver that's doing 25 mph in a 60 mph zone. 2nd issue, what will allowing a one gun a year quota do to reduce crime? At all? This Governor has no ability for critical thought. He's only pandering to his base.

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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Gary Benson] #6446765
01/31/19 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Bad idea. Then they would have room in prison for pedophilels, rapists, and real criminals. Can't have that.


Its pretty much already legal here. Nobody doing any time for weed here. I know a cop who legally caught a guy with 253lbs of weed. Prosecutor said " Yep good grab... but meh, it's only weed". No charges filed.

Walk around any of the big downtowns bus stops or sidewalks. The weed smell with choke you at times. Zero consequences as is. The cops have even been ordered by the Weed proponent major not to arrest the black kids selling it on the street corner. Sided with by the County attorney.

Its a liberal state run by super duper liberal cities (Minneapolis/St paul), where anything goes. Kinda like the Star Wars Cantina.

Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6446766
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Willie Nelson and snoop dogg moving to Minnesota!


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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: yukonjeff] #6446812
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Originally Posted by trapper les
Are the pot heads really going to rise to power ? Will they be the movers and the shakers ? I doubt it. No threat there.


Ummm ,did you happen to notice that there are now 10 legal states and 13 that decriminalized it ? in like the last 5 years. That didn't happen by itself. So yea movers and shakers. At this rate they could form a political party and do pretty good.

So when do you suppose the drunks will organize and rise up against the government ?

The drunks are already entrenched.


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6446816
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by trapper les
Are the pot heads really going to rise to power ? Will they be the movers and the shakers ? I doubt it. No threat there.


We said the same about those without common sense 25 years ago.

LOL, point taken.


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Ryan McLeod] #6446821
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Originally Posted by Ryan McLeod
Willie Nelson and snoop dogg moving to Minnesota!

I hope not. They might feel comfortable in the confines of a city, but not up here, 400 miles north on the Canadian border. It would be interesting to put them both in the same fishhouse for a while though, or let them just fish out in the open like when I grew up.


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: 330-Trapper] #6446822
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
I think Dayton wason way more than Pot!!


And you would be right according to one of his aides when Dayton was a senator. He claimed Dayton had to have his "meds" prior to making a speech. Dayton once complained, that the republicans criticized him because he took medication for depression sometimes.


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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6446846
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I posted this to emphasize the contradictory nature of this in the elimination of your ability to purchase a gun if you are a pot user. In other words, it's OK to smoke pot, but not if you want to purchase a gun. Huh??

But, it seems to have progressed to a debate on whether it's harmful to smoke pot or has any ill effects on its usage. That wasn't my intent even though I have strong feelings on the subject. I will only say what I was once told by a person who works with people addicted to drugs: He said, "Not all pot smokers are heroin users. But, all heroin users were once pot smokers."


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6446876
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All you hypocrites are going to have to just suck it up and get used to it. legalization is coming whether you like it or not. Its the people that are putting up the ballet initiatives ,not the politicians.
Its not about the money. Its about returning personal freedom that should of never been taken away. In fact it should come with an apology from the government for ruining so many lives for nothing.

I am amazed that so many people on here support more government intrusion in our lives.

Oh, and I am sure all heroine addicts drank a beer too. So there's your gateway drug. lol

Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: bowhunter27295] #6446882
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So you honestly don't think more people will use pot when it is legal?

I will take freedom also but not at the expense of my own family's peril based on someone's choices who is high.




There will be a few more who try it. But there are so many people who are regular users now. Honestly there are more people who are addicted to legal pain killers, and the meth heads are everywhere.

There is way more issues with alcohol than pot - I can't remember the last time a pot head killed someone driving around high.

Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6446900
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Oh, and don't forget the Birch Polypore Mushroom, now there's a gateway drug.


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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6446919
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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: yukonjeff] #6446939
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
All you hypocrites are going to have to just suck it up and get used to it. legalization is coming whether you like it or not. Its the people that are putting up the ballet initiatives ,not the politicians.
Its not about the money. Its about returning personal freedom that should of never been taken away. In fact it should come with an apology from the government for ruining so many lives for nothing.

I am amazed that so many people on here support more government intrusion in our lives.

Oh, and I am sure all heroine addicts drank a beer too. So there's your gateway drug. lol


Nice that you think you're smarter than a professional counselor. Did you go to school for that or just learn it on your own?

3 weeks ago, I buried my daughter who was a heavy pot smoker. The tox report isn't back yet, but the forensic examiner suspects it will show she was into hard core drugs of some kind. BTW, she didn't like beer so that probably wasn't her gateway drug.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6447009
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Yukon. Anyone that's worked for the govt, around politicians (20 years here) knows it's never about right or wrong or personal freedoms (even though they like to disguise such) its ALWAYS about the money. Filthy/greedy buggers just can't seem to get enough of it. The sure wouldn't push to legalize it if they were fixing to make a boatload of cash off it.

Sorry to hear that Trapper7. It makes me sick to know that politicians don't give two turds about your girl as long as they can make some quick/fat cash. But that's how they operate.

Personally I could care less if its legalized at my age. As stated previously, its about as close to legalized right now here. Effects me zero, but it sure will effect some of our young ones.

Everything comes with a cost.

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Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6447023
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Trapper7 Sorry for your loss.
I have a lifetime of witnessing alcohol and drug abuse. I know at least 20 people that died of direct alcohol abuse. I still have yet to hear of someone that died from Cannabis.
Lets not confuse cannabis, with heroin, alcohol, and other hard drugs that do kill.

Re: MN To Legalize Recreational Marijuana [Re: Trapper7] #6447054
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I think it should be legal in the whole United States, just do like Canada did, look if you want to do it, you should be able to, if you dont want to do it, then dont.

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