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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458296
02/11/19 06:51 PM
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bur, shoot and freeze rabbits till your ready to collect don't gut them skin them or anything else. feed a half rabbit a day per coyote. chop em in half with an axe and feed still frozen. coyote will stay a bit hungry and eat them readily frozen. they wont bleed frozen and coyote will eat hide guts feet tail and all. very natural very healthy diet that produces good pee. frozen muskrat carcasses are good too. lots easier to keep stuff clean. turds will be solid because of the hair and easy to remove.


Ban private vehicles now. They are killing too much wildlife and too many children.
Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458298
02/11/19 06:52 PM
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I have ordered from him plenty of times and it always comes fast. BUT I order before the heart of the season. If I need stuff right now I order Weiser's stuff from MTP as it gets here in around 24 hours. Andy traps for a living and to be able to make the lures and baits and collect urine. How can he be expected to ship and complete orders while trying to make stuff. Yes he could use an assistant but instead of whining on the internet and complaining do something and buy it from a supplier that its their only job to send out orders. Reminder for those that are indifferent about weiser. People are far more likely to complain than they are to give good reviews. So for every bad review there are more great reviews. Also might help to order stuff before season.


"If I could find a way to bottle my dog's farts, I could call coyotes across state lines." -USMC47
Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: shortliner16] #6458305
02/11/19 06:56 PM
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Minnesota, USA
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Originally Posted by shortliner16
I have ordered from him plenty of times and it always comes fast. BUT I order before the heart of the season. If I need stuff right now I order Weiser's stuff from MTP as it gets here in around 24 hours. Andy traps for a living and to be able to make the lures and baits and collect urine. How can he be expected to ship and complete orders while trying to make stuff. Yes he could use an assistant but instead of whining on the internet and complaining do something and buy it from a supplier that its their only job to send out orders. Reminder for those that are indifferent about weiser. People are far more likely to complain than they are to give good reviews. So for every bad review there are more great reviews. Also might help to order stuff before season.



What if you run out of said product? Knock a jug of urine over? If your taking a customer's money without adding that you can't fill orders during the season, you are basically stealing.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: shortliner16] #6458307
02/11/19 06:58 PM
02/11/19 06:58 PM
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potter co. p.a.
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Originally Posted by shortliner16
I have ordered from him plenty of times and it always comes fast. BUT I order before the heart of the season. If I need stuff right now I order Weiser's stuff from MTP as it gets here in around 24 hours. Andy traps for a living and to be able to make the lures and baits and collect urine. How can he be expected to ship and complete orders while trying to make stuff. Yes he could use an assistant but instead of whining on the internet and complaining do something and buy it from a supplier that its their only job to send out orders. Reminder for those that are indifferent about weiser. People are far more likely to complain than they are to give good reviews. So for every bad review there are more great reviews. Also might help to order stuff before season.

you should read the whole post


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458310
02/11/19 07:00 PM
02/11/19 07:00 PM
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So a guy should just order from someone else if its trapping season ?

How bout the supplier shouldnt take any orders or take any money if he would rather go trapping instead .


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: KeithC] #6458325
02/11/19 07:15 PM
02/11/19 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
The fact that Andy has not responded, when he has almost assuredly heard of the issues and that he is letting things continue to fall apart, leads me to believe that he is likely suffering from severe depression. It is the most logical explanation. I hope he pulls things together and makes things right with the people he has mistreated.

Depression can be crippling and make even small things seem insurmountable. Depression can make very capable people feel incapable of anything.

Keith


This makes the most sense to me.


Yesterday our heritage, tomorrow our legacy, today our responsibility.
Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: beaverpeeler] #6458330
02/11/19 07:22 PM
02/11/19 07:22 PM
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Central montana
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Oh boy. Yeah I'm depressed, so send me you're hard earned money. Being depressed does not turn you into a thief. Psychobabble to the extreme. How about the guy just doesn't have any scruples. Haven't heard anything from op in a while, any progress whatsoever?


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458342
02/11/19 07:29 PM
02/11/19 07:29 PM
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Maine, Aroostook
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Depression is debilitating. It shuts down every aspect of a persons life, not just their ability to ship lure.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458345
02/11/19 07:36 PM
02/11/19 07:36 PM
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An inability to act in your own self interest is a hallmark of depression.

I've also had good dealings with Andy and really feel bad to see all of this, so of course I'm looking for some reason for it.


Yesterday our heritage, tomorrow our legacy, today our responsibility.
Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458360
02/11/19 07:46 PM
02/11/19 07:46 PM
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We all don't know what we don't know. This pattern of taking money and not delivering or taking product and not paying is nothing new.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458363
02/11/19 07:49 PM
02/11/19 07:49 PM
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Has the OP or the OPís from the other threads heard anything at all? Any updates?


http://www.delawaretrappersinc.com/

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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458373
02/11/19 08:01 PM
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For those blaming depression, would you continue going to work everyday for months if your employer quit paying you and avoided you?

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Posco] #6458375
02/11/19 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Posco
Depression is debilitating. It shuts down every aspect of a persons life, not just their ability to ship lure.

If he was shut down that would be something to consider. Instead, he appears to be having a wonderful time. It also seems, based on comments, that he continues to interact with some people, while shutting out the same people who helped him get where he WAS. That may be depression. Whatever he's doing, he's depressed a lot of people by doing it.


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Posco] #6458378
02/11/19 08:04 PM
02/11/19 08:04 PM
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Champaign County, Ohio.
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Originally Posted by Posco
Depression is debilitating. It shuts down every aspect of a persons life, not just their ability to ship lure.


I know more about depression than I ever wanted to. Depressed people almost always take part in some form of escapism. They continue to take part in some activity or interest and concentrate on it to the detriment of other things they need to do. That can be almost anything from over eating, substance abuse, hoarding, to taking part in an activity like a sport or even hunting or trapping. Depressed people often focus on one or a few things instead of doing other things they need to do.

This does not excuse bad behavior, it explains it.

Keith

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458379
02/11/19 08:05 PM
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Substance abuse makes good people do bad things... just a thought... seen it enough in my own family thru the years.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458383
02/11/19 08:08 PM
02/11/19 08:08 PM
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I'm the OP of this thread. Updates are this. No response from Wieser anywhere. He still continues to post on Facebook regularly. Filed a claim with Pay Pal. It goes through a waiting period to give the vendor a chance to tell his side of the story. Andy did not reply to Pay Pal or dispute my claim, so Pay Pal says I won. But then they go on to say that it may take up to an additional 30 days to receive my refund. I'm assuming that is only if they can collect the money out of his account. If there's no money in there I'm not sure what happens. I assume they shut the account down. Since I started posting a bit about this I'm hearing from quite a bunch of other people that he has stiffed numerous others including other dealers and guys for gland and urine that he bought. Sounds like my $300 is small potatoes compared to what he owes others. Plain and simple it has came out that the guy is a straight up crook.

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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458401
02/11/19 08:23 PM
02/11/19 08:23 PM
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You that are making excuses for him are way out In left field. If you guys only knew how far this runs and how long It's been going on. But I was sworn to secrecy so I'm not going to say anything more.


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: The Beav] #6458406
02/11/19 08:27 PM
02/11/19 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
You that are making excuses for him are way out In left field. If you guys only knew how far this runs and how long It's been going on. But I was sworn to secrecy so I'm not going to say anything more.


Thanks Beav. I think that says enough for me.


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458407
02/11/19 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobo Rojo
I'm the OP of this thread. Updates are this. No response from Wieser anywhere. He still continues to post on Facebook regularly. Filed a claim with Pay Pal. It goes through a waiting period to give the vendor a chance to tell his side of the story. Andy did not reply to Pay Pal or dispute my claim, so Pay Pal says I won. But then they go on to say that it may take up to an additional 30 days to receive my refund. I'm assuming that is only if they can collect the money out of his account. If there's no money in there I'm not sure what happens. I assume they shut the account down. Since I started posting a bit about this I'm hearing from quite a bunch of other people that he has stiffed numerous others including other dealers and guys for gland and urine that he bought. Sounds like my $300 is small potatoes compared to what he owes others. Plain and simple it has came out that the guy is a straight up crook.


A little progress it seems. I hope it is quicker than thirty days for you to get your money.


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6458429
02/11/19 08:48 PM
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I'll repeat what I said earlier for the benefit of the younger guys on here reading this post.Be wary of people who are overly friendly when they hardly know you.

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