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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Josh Weizenegger] #6456861
02/10/19 11:57 AM
02/10/19 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh Weizenegger
I deal with mn trapline products so would never get scammed but why don't you guys drive right to his house? I would think that be a good starting place. Obviously he isn't responding on here


I wouldn't drive up on his house. He has a weapon or two. And if he isn't quite stable........Not alot of cover around there. No one knows. Not worth the foolish risk. He will need to help himself first. We just pray for him as of now.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456863
02/10/19 11:58 AM
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I'm not joining the dog pile nor defending Andy as I've had no dealings with him.
But, something ain't right!


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456865
02/10/19 12:02 PM
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No it aint. You can do this Andy! Come on man! Get up, and keep on keeping on. You have some great stuff!

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456867
02/10/19 12:03 PM
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I will add, I was only stating my personal buying experience, couple pages ago..
I will never defend someone who is doing others wrong... Carry On!.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456869
02/10/19 12:05 PM
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from what i've saw here and been told elsewhere i don't believe he'll be able to turn this around.sad but i will pray for him also as a fellow man.









Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456889
02/10/19 12:26 PM
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I don't have a dog in this fight and don't know Andy but it's seems like there has to be some extenuating circumstances that has led to this rapid demise on customer service and now unfortunately- personal creditability. Too sad.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456906
02/10/19 12:46 PM
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Handle it the old fashioned way.Face to face-Man to Man.
I seem to have read on here that that guy does demos at the NTA.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Eagleye] #6456917
02/10/19 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagleye
I don't have a dog in this fight and don't know Andy but it's seems like there has to be some extenuating circumstances that has led to this rapid demise on customer service and now unfortunately- personal creditability. Too sad.


Agreed, I don’t think he is staring into the fire rubbing his hands snickering to himself over ill gotten gains. Wish you all the best, no one likes being taken. And I wish Andy all the best as well. Hope everyone can see their way out of this.

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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456920
02/10/19 01:07 PM
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I avoid most problems like this by buying in person.generally,I order the goods, and pick them up at conventions.I sell some frozen goods at times, except for 2 times, they are delivered in person, and im payed in person.I have had numerous persons that wanted to buy frozen product from me, and I refused to ship it.So they didn't buy it, and I didn't sell it.
No headaches, and no loss of reputation.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456925
02/10/19 01:14 PM
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good idea phil


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Boco] #6456926
02/10/19 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Handle it the old fashioned way.Face to face-Man to Man.
I seem to have read on here that that guy does demos at the NTA.

Can't Boco. Most laws are enforced by the left now. Most police departments are unionized. Blue state mostly. Getting down in the ditch with him, won't help us. I'm staying clear of the MTA for now. The out of state guys are starting to make it unpalatable. Your gonna get some one in trouble here Boco. Andy isn't a big guy, and he has heart issues. Some young victim might just take it a little too far.

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: ] #6456935
02/10/19 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Haggard
Originally Posted by Boco
Handle it the old fashioned way.Face to face-Man to Man.
I seem to have read on here that that guy does demos at the NTA.

Can't Boco. Most laws are enforced by the left now. Most police departments are unionized. Blue state mostly. Getting down in the ditch with him, won't help us. I'm staying clear of the MTA for now. The out of state guys are starting to make it unpalatable. Your gonna get some one in trouble here Boco. Andy isn't a big guy, and he has heart issues. Some young victim might just take it a little too far.


Goodness! I don’t think BOCO was suggesting violence. I took his statement to mean, go talk to the guy face to face. Meaning to solve the issue, one on one.


Who is John Galt?

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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: ] #6456942
02/10/19 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Haggard
Originally Posted by Boco
Handle it the old fashioned way.Face to face-Man to Man.
I seem to have read on here that that guy does demos at the NTA.

Can't Boco. Most laws are enforced by the left now. Most police departments are unionized. Blue state mostly. Getting down in the ditch with him, won't help us. I'm staying clear of the MTA for now. The out of state guys are starting to make it unpalatable. Your gonna get some one in trouble here Boco. Andy isn't a big guy, and he has heart issues. Some young victim might just take it a little too far.

This forum is a great place for responsible people to express themselves responsibly. This whole thing started by someone trying to resolve an issue responsibly. At least I took it that way. The issue has been brought to the light, people have been informed there is an issue. It sucks that people have spent money and not gotten what they expected in-return. It sucks that Andy's friends defended him when he wouldn't defend himself. And, I don't mean in ANY way that those that defended him suck. Those are the kind of friends a lot of us wish we had. They're the real deal. What sucks is that they found themselves in that position. It sucks that Andy appears to be making bad decisions for his own life, and that is negatively affecting many around him. I see this thread as more of an intervention attempt on Andy's behalf. I don't wanna give up on him. I don't want others to give up on me. It's time for some tough love, not revenge.


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456943
02/10/19 01:26 PM
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Like said it does not make any sense with what is known just think about what it IS and what it could of BEEN, weigh that out and is does not add up? No dog in this either just looking at the practical side of how it could play out. confused


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456950
02/10/19 01:36 PM
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The fact that Andy has not responded, when he has almost assuredly heard of the issues and that he is letting things continue to fall apart, leads me to believe that he is likely suffering from severe depression. It is the most logical explanation. I hope he pulls things together and makes things right with the people he has mistreated.

Depression can be crippling and make even small things seem insurmountable. Depression can make very capable people feel incapable of anything.

Keith

Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456961
02/10/19 01:45 PM
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Just like that stretcher guy from out east, big popularity contest on here. Things aren't going good, guy falls behind people complain about lack of service. And then they get bashed on here for being honest about being unhappy with the results. In the mean time the defenders of either guy probably really don't know the guy very well anyway.

Personally skeptical of most guys who just seem to be instantly in business. Had my doubts about the guy who seemed to do the most promoting of his business.


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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456970
02/10/19 01:51 PM
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I'm not putting this up as a "defend Andy" post. Simply a bit of perspective from my point of view. Sorry if this offends anyone.

I'm not privy to all the information here, other than to say that it looks like Andy is treating customers very poorly. I don't know any of the details. Over the past several years, I've seen many posts on here suggesting or referencing the "T-man brotherhood". Generally, in my opinion that is a good thing. We need to stick together like brothers and sisters for the betterment of fur trapping and the continuation of the trapping legacy. I'm saddened by the lack of response from Andy.

Last spring, I got an email from Andy asking if I would do a demo at the NTA Western in Livingston. Well, I'm somewhat of a non-social person, and generally don't partake in those sorts of big group gatherings, so I waffled a bit. A week goes by, and I receive a large box, stuffed with various lures and urines. It was a bribe, pure and simple. It was from Andy. I'm pretty sure he did this in an effort to get me to agree to doing a short demo at Livingston, and I'm pretty sure he did this without getting paid by NTA to cover the cost of the lures and the shipping charges. He did it for trappers.

A friend of mine has a wonderful wife and she was going through cancer treatment. This friend told me that Andy called their place constantly, just to check up on her and show his concern and support. He did this for months.

These two little tidbits, to me, speak of a very stand-up guy. Like I wrote earlier, I'm saddened to see the apparent decline. Until I know a few more of the details, I guess yeah, I'm defending the man. On the other hand, I'm not defending his recent actions.

Jack


Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456974
02/10/19 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobo Rojo
Thanks for all the replies and comments. For those that commented about getting money back from Pay Pal, I have filed a claim but they can take up to a couple months to get anything done. I am waiting on that right now.



No , 2 MONTHS on PayPal to get your money returned to you about 10 days Max , you first have to open a case , then depending on the severity of your Case , you can Escalate to PayPal Customer Service , they will make a decision , in your favor or the sellers favor , based on what you say when you Opened Your Case then Escalated it to PayPal Customer Service what you Say , you can also Call PayPal and they will Escalate your Case for you , You'll get your money back 100% of the time if you Paid for Goods and Did Not Receive those Goods !,

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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: lureintheanimal] #6456982
02/10/19 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lureintheanimal
Originally Posted by Lobo Rojo
Thanks for all the replies and comments. For those that commented about getting money back from Pay Pal, I have filed a claim but they can take up to a couple months to get anything done. I am waiting on that right now.



No , 2 MONTHS on PayPal to get your money returned to you about 10 days Max , you first have to open a case , then depending on the severity of your Case , you can Escalate to PayPal Customer Service , they will make a decision , in your favor or the sellers favor , based on what you say when you Opened Your Case then Escalated it to PayPal Customer Service what you Say , you can also Call PayPal and they will Escalate your Case for you , You'll get your money back 100% of the time if you bought Goods and Did Not Receive those Goods !,



You may be correct, but I was not able to get a refund from PayPal for items not received. Simple as this: I paid for something with PayPal. The item was never received. The seller claimed the item was shipped. That 's about all I remember except I never received the item and I never got my money back. This happened to me TWO times maybe I would have had different results if I would have pushed harder, but my time is worth more than the lost money. About once a year I have ordered from Montana and never had a problem, but no more of my money will be going there.

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Re: The Weiser defenders [Re: Lobo Rojo] #6456983
02/10/19 02:02 PM
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