My thinking is we are getting a warmer atmosphere call it global warming, climate change, weather change or act of god. The polar caps are melting at an increased rate and the moisture goes into the atmosphere and ends up coming down as rain or in some areas snow. Not going to argue the politics but the more concrete, asphalt we put down acts as a heat sink. Living in Laramie Wy we see it on trips to the front range of Colorado you get down to that much city and the temperatures increase. You cut or burn enough timber it allows the ground to heat up and maintain that heat the snow melts off faster, seeing that now in the mountains the snow use to come off slow in the spring now its gone quicker with run off doing damage and no water for later season. Not a weather man or politician just an old rancher that has lived on the same piece of ground for getting close to a century. Its not just me anyone that spends enough time living close to the land notices things change over time.

Got to agree cities and highways are gobbling up corn fields and woods. Which make oxygen, I breath the stuff daily.
Had relatives and friends that flew hang gliders, when they would go over a woods the thermal would raise them up. We never discussed concrete but I would bet it was even more?

Some are now saying the ozone hole is filling in (dont know just whats said) .

My view is that with the solar flares and volcanoes and all the concrete, weather will continue to change as it has in all the ages past, just more eratic til it cycles out.

Maybe we could make some money inventing and selling catalytic converters that will retrofit on cows buts.

2 Peter Chapter 3 should help anybody that mocks Gods word!

Rush7 do you really think rational thought being applied to the bible is a new thing? Up until a couple hundred years ago people were tortured to death for admitting they found the bible stories impossible to believe. People just kept quiet and paid their tithe.

“My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.”
—Adolf Hitler

People try to pick a date I guess so they can live as they want and clean up right before the close. Had we been in the trenches of WW1 or the citizens we would probably think the whole world was coming to an end. Or the ovens in WW2, I would have thought the end of the world was coming, or in Japan when the fire came down in a mushroom, I would have said the world is over. Well I dont know when, I just know its closer than it was yesterday. I really think my odds of just dying are greater than being here in the rapture. Still this body will change even then. Since I dont know when, seems to me to be the best hedge just to be ready.

Danny Clifton -

I want you to know I am praying for you. I sincerely mean this and admire your determination. I also have watched you comment over the years in your unbelief. Please know - God still loves you even if you don't believe in Him. He died for you, even if you don't believe. I appreciate your honesty. I would encourage you to pick up a recent book by Jonathan Cahn called The Paradigm. It goes over the presidency of the Clintons, Obama, and the current election of Trump and relates it to the old testament Jehu, Jezebel etc......I think you would enjoy it.

Sincerely - Keith Donaldson

My apologies I didn't completely read all the posts but I will add my 2 cents. If anyone thinks we are living in any kind of tribulations or purgatory think about this, I woke up this morning turned my car heater on and drove to Bo Jangles to eat a biscuit and the day before had a nice steak with my wife. I seriously doubt that would fit in with God's idea of suffering. Second, if you are an atheist you have no common sense. If you think the world you live in now and humans were created by a million accidental events that just happened to be perfectly balanced enough to create one planet like this with intelligent life but refuse to believe a creator could have done the same thing please don't vote. Religion or not we are humans prone to kill, enslave, and hate. Any person can be driven to horrible things if you don't believe me I'll gladly come slap your wife and see your reaction. This world will never get better and was doomed from the start God knew it that's why it's in the bible

Agreed lonewolf

Better to leave the voting to the people who believe God sent two bears to maul 42 kids because they teased a old guy about being bald eh.

There are an estimated 200 billion to 2 trillion Galaxies in the known universe, each Galaxy has Billions of stars and Trillions of planets. It is estimated that there are 40 Billion earth like planets in habitable zones of sun like stars. If a God made this place he forgot about it long ago. No one has said a creator couldnt be responsible for Earth and the life on it, all they have said is there is no evidence for the creation story you are talking about.

You're assuming I believe in "God" I said a creator be it whatever religion you choose or make up. The point I was making was believing in nothing is more ignorant than believing in something

I edited it about between when we posted, sorry about that. I think one could assume when you are talking about a creator in the context of a thread about end times based on biblical context it is fair to assume you are talking about a biblical creator unless specified otherwise.

I can see that. Honestly, even scientist's ever changing explanations of how the Earth was created should be enough to make any non believer question. It's not about belief or religion to me it's about what is more logical and in this argument a creator is more logical.

Side note if you watched Guardians of the Galaxy 2 the way the lead character's dad explained how he "became" would be a scientific/logical way to explain a creator.

We will all stand in front a Holy God. The Bible has proved all prophecies were true or will come in the near future. So to say God is liar your playing with fire!!!

Rush7 the bible has never proved a single thing. Not one. Your god, or any god, has never spoken to me. So how can I claim he, she, it or they lied? Now the people who wrote stories about seas parting, food falling from heaven, woman turned to salt, great flood, living inside a fish surviving in a fire, not being eaten while in a den of hungry lions, those stories are absolutely lies made up by the original authors.

So, you prefer a deterministic universe. Not a new idea. In fact, it sprung up in the church pretty quickly, starting with Augustine. The idea was that everything happens because God causes it to happen. Most people believe that free will is a reality, though. If it isn't, nothing is what it appears to be. If God, in fact, made a world where no one had a choice but to believe in him, we would be automatons. I doubt you really like that idea if you think about it.

The concept of a creator is a difficult thing. We all think we'd like to know they exist and it would be cut and dry, lightening bolt here and there and maybe a world conference yearly. Honestly think about it though how controlled and micro managed would you feel knowing there is a creator and he will bust your balls on the spot when you're doing wrong. Oh you want to build a border wall, I don't think so! Jeez ok dad sorry...lol I'd rather make mistakes and have free will then be told "what are you doing" when I do something.

Every time you violate your conscience God speaks to you. Ignore what it's telling you and before long the conscience is diminished as is the voice of God.

I was elk hunting in Colorado some years back in the higher elevations. We found sea shells on top of one mountain. They seem to be so old they crumbled in our hands when we picked them up. How did sea shells get way up there?

We took the material back to have them analyzed by a local college professor. He confirmed they were sea shells. My friend that was with me was a skeptic. He isn't anymore. I guess you had to have been there.

Look around you into the heavens or as far as you can see. God will never be logical to the human mind because the human mind isn't capable of understanding something that's it's not capable of imagining. God is far beyond our best imagination. IMO, it takes more faith to be an atheist, than to be a believer.

Danny all you have do is read how God would bring back Israel (Jews) from being scattered all over the world and bring them to their own land again. Never has group of people been scattered like the Jews where and came be a Nation again. There economy is strong there military is ranked the 8th powerful in the world. Now tell me that God isn’t real.