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Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465331
02/18/19 09:26 AM
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You are correct Hobbies Trapped, when I typed it I did not review my post first.

Re: big wreck [Re: racerboy108] #6465359
02/18/19 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by racerboy108
The positions on the track would be there for others to fill. Whether or not they get filled is a unknown but I think they would be filled. As more upcoming drivers would be given the opportunity and possibly new owners would emerge.

Owners filling these positions with not so talented drivers do not do the sport any good. Fans want to see a competitive race. They want to see the new upcoming underdog beat the guy that comes in week after week winning races.



Ever watch a golf match or see the standings?

Many of the drivers competing where the top of their level. Juan Plablo comes to mind yet he didn't prove to be all that in a cup car. "The cream rises to the top" in any sport and it ain't very thick. There will never be 41 Kyle Busches or Brad Kezalowskies on the track at one time.

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Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465388
02/18/19 10:25 AM
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Agreed Hobbie we will never have 41 Kyle's.

Juan didn't make the transition very well and a few others that tried failed as well.

I will say though in the last few years there have been some new young talented drivers come in like Kyle Larson, Chase Elliott and Erik Jones with some others.

NASCAR realized they were lacking talent and they pushed owners to get some new blood.

There is more talent out there waiting for a ride and drivers like Paul Menard ties that position up just because he brings sponsorship from his daddy.

Danica Patrick tied a position up for years as well just because she was a woman and marketable.

I will say again the last couple years more talent has come in but lack of talent went on for years. I am hoping more talent comes in and push the track fillers out.

Of course NASCAR itself needs to get back to doing things right itself. Lol

I for one think there is to much technology available to these race teams. Technology advances have replaced driving experience compared to old school driving.

Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465401
02/18/19 10:44 AM
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I agree with much of that however after that last pit stop it's in the hands on the wheel. Use it up, save it, a combination of both, praying the car in front of you blows up or runs out of gas is a skill all of us have. lol

Technology has made it more competitive to me. I recall being at Dover one year Richard Petty blew an engine and it took 7 laps before he fell from the top spot on the scoring pylon. Wasn't much of a race up until that point. lol

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Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465415
02/18/19 10:59 AM
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I do remember some races where one driver would have the whole field lapped to the point where it was not a race anymore. Lol

I guess it's a balance and NASCAR is still trying to level the playing field between the teams.

No doubt they have it tough to balance but yet maintain fans, competitiveness, and sponsorships.

And no doubt they must keep all of those factors in consideration. My point about to much technology is these cars are easier to drive and safer then the Dale Sr and Richard Petty days.

I think a dirt track series would be great to follow on the track and in the pits like they do at this level.

Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465434
02/18/19 11:18 AM
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I agree, dirt is the real thing.


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Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465487
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LOL

Funny argument considering NASCAR can barely fill a Cup race these days, and some times doesn't.

Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465492
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150,000 at Daytona......Ok.


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Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6465503
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NASCAR is a joke. What started as out as hard luck po’ folks trying to make a a living. Has, as mentioned turned into a rich boy thing. Some poor kid with shoes to small and holes in his jeans living in Appalachia ain’t gotta prayer to be in NASCAR.

Re: big wreck [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6465504
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
150,000 at Daytona......Ok.

Huh? Discussion, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with crowd size. Try to keep up.

Re: big wreck [Re: M.Magis] #6465526
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
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150,000 at Daytona......Ok.

Huh? Discussion, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with crowd size. Try to keep up.


I have no idea what you are talking about then because they had teams that didn't qualify and went home apparently they had plenty of folks that wanted to be in it.


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Re: big wreck [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6465529
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper

I have no idea what you are talking about then because they had teams that didn't qualify and went home apparently they had plenty of folks that wanted to be in it.

The 500 always has excess teams show up because it's big enough that small teams can show up and run like crap, yet still not lose money. Sponsors actually get their money's worth. Watch the rest of the year and you'll see. The days of 46+ teams showing up for qualifying every week are long gone. If I recall, the spring Atlanta race last year only had 35 or 36 cars show up. So the argument that "rich kids" are taking up spots that could be filled by more talented drivers is about 15 years outdated and ridiculous these days.

Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6466428
02/19/19 10:22 AM
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No the day rich kids are taking spots are still here. They are filling the regular full time driver team positions that run every week.

NASCAR has lost the other part time filler teams due to lack of sponsorship. Sponsorship has fallen dramatically the last few years and it's become to costly to run without it.

Two main factors are killing the small teams. First being lack of sponsorship and the other is to costly to keep up with all the high technical necessities to run.

That was my point earlier that if they kept the cost down on technology advancements they would have more teams affording to run.

Daytona is one race where everyone likes to show up and race due to its anyone race to win. Like this last race only 3 cars out of the whole pack was not involved in a wreck. Lol

And sponsorship is available for other teams to run due to the media coverage Daytona brings.

Re: big wreck [Re: rivercabin53] #6466484
02/19/19 11:02 AM
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Full of millionaire pretty boys. Not racing anymore. Oh yea ford running a mustang now ? LOL weird body style on that pony at Daytona.

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