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NASCAR isn't racing anymore. Follow in a big line wait for the big one. If your lucky enough to miss it you finish well. They have ruined what was once a lot of fun to watch.

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Not to mention to many drivers are only there cause their daddy has money.

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Thought you were going to mention the 50 car pileup in MO.

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Originally Posted by racerboy108
Not to mention to many drivers are only there cause their daddy has money.

So someone's daddy's money makes you be able to drive at 200 mph and maintain control
So if you hit the lottery the you could drive that well

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The last 2 crashes were awesome. The crashes are ther only thing I like about nascar. It's gone so far away from stock car racing they really need to change their name. Their ain't no Camry that go 190 mph stock

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I agree Adam that slowmo footage is awesome
And it was cool to see J D Gibbs number win
Even though I don't like Denny Hamlin

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Not necessary wetdog.

But let's take Paul Menards for example.

He has been in this level of NASCAR for many years and yet is not the caliber of driver that deserves the position.

He did not move up the ranks and earn his driver position.

He brought on sponsorship which got him the position. Taking a position away from someone else that deserves it. It's why the real competition was amongst just a few drivers. Giving us less desirable races.

Danica Patrick was another filling a spot she didn't deserve. She was marketable. That's why she got it.

Then you have the Dillion brothers. Grandpa has money but the boys are not competitive. More spots taking away from talent.

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I agree on all points.
But they can still handle a car.For the most part
How many average people have even driven 150+ and had to keep control and make a turn and not hit the car beside you.

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The owner should only have one car in the race, take the spotters off the top of the stands, take the radios out of the cars. Schedule pit stops why get put to the back of the pack because you did not put on all the lug nuts or run over a air hose.
Get back to racing! JMO


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Re: big wreck [Re: racerboy108] #6465277
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Originally Posted by racerboy108
Not necessary wetdog.

But let's take Paul Menards for example.

He has been in this level of NASCAR for many years and yet is not the caliber of driver that deserves the position.

He did not move up the ranks and earn his driver position.

He brought on sponsorship which got him the position. Taking a position away from someone else that deserves it. It's why the real competition was amongst just a few drivers. Giving us less desirable races.

Danica Patrick was another filling a spot she didn't deserve. She was marketable. That's why she got it.

Then you have the Dillion brothers. Grandpa has money but the boys are not competitive. More spots taking away from talent.



So there are great drivers out there that are poor at selling themselves and their talent, I'll buy that.


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For sure some drivers have the talent but don't have the marketable part.

And there are lots of drivers that just don't get the break needed to go from poor to riches as it takes lots of money to move up to get to the level of getting noticed.

My point was there are to many that are in the sport filling spots because they have the money but not the talent.

NASCAR only allows so many drivers to participate in a race so that leaves less opportunities for talent to rise if those seats are filled with rich but not so talented drivers.

Take Jimmie Johnson for example. He didn't have the money to get himself to the highest level till Jeff Gordon gave him the opportunity. Martin Truex and Brad Kesolowski probably would not be there if Dale Jr did not help out.

Very few top drivers make it on their own. Like you said they sold themselves and got noticed.

But way to many get there without the talent but buy their way in and taking a competitive seat away from the races.

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Don't forget those cars are set to only go left. You could push one around the track with a golf cart and no driver and they would track properly. Now...when they go to "The Glen" and have to drive up hill, down hill, turn left, turn right, that's driving.

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As far as I know the only spots guaranteed are "Past Champions".

Everybody else has to qualify.

What you are trying to sell is that if Richard Childress didn't have grandchildren he would still field cars, we don't know that and NASCAR doesn't force anybody to be an owner.

Also, people aren't lining up to be car owners.


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I don't get your argument Hobbie?

My point is some driver positions are being filled with not so talented but rich drivers.

This takes away from the competiveness of the race.

Filling your race with track fillers don't make a exciting race.

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If a driver has talent, do you think someone is not going to give him a ride?
Even If its only on a limited basis
Kerry earnheart is getting his chance from Joe Gibbs in the xfinaty series this season
Brian France started down the wrong road after Bill Jr passed
Now that he's out of the way, it will get a little better

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There are drivers that don't get the opportunity because the opportunities are filled with buy my way in drivers.

There are only so many driver positions available and starting a new team is very expensive.

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Originally Posted by racerboy108
I don't get your argument Hobbie?

My point is some driver positions are being filled with not so talented but rich drivers.

This takes away from the competiveness of the race.

Filling your race with track fillers don't make a exciting race.


No argument. I'm just pointing out that your assumption is that those rides would be there for "someone else" who may or may not make it at that level. Maybe, maybe not.

BTW, Wetdog I believe that is Jeffery that Gibbs is taking a chance on, not Kerry.


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The positions on the track would be there for others to fill. Whether or not they get filled is a unknown but I think they would be filled. As more upcoming drivers would be given the opportunity and possibly new owners would emerge.

Owners filling these positions with not so talented drivers do not do the sport any good. Fans want to see a competitive race. They want to see the new upcoming underdog beat the guy that comes in week after week winning races.

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You are correct Hobbies Trapped, when I typed it I did not review my post first.

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Originally Posted by racerboy108
The positions on the track would be there for others to fill. Whether or not they get filled is a unknown but I think they would be filled. As more upcoming drivers would be given the opportunity and possibly new owners would emerge.

Owners filling these positions with not so talented drivers do not do the sport any good. Fans want to see a competitive race. They want to see the new upcoming underdog beat the guy that comes in week after week winning races.



Ever watch a golf match or see the standings?

Many of the drivers competing where the top of their level. Juan Plablo comes to mind yet he didn't prove to be all that in a cup car. "The cream rises to the top" in any sport and it ain't very thick. There will never be 41 Kyle Busches or Brad Kezalowskies on the track at one time.

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Agreed Hobbie we will never have 41 Kyle's.

Juan didn't make the transition very well and a few others that tried failed as well.

I will say though in the last few years there have been some new young talented drivers come in like Kyle Larson, Chase Elliott and Erik Jones with some others.

NASCAR realized they were lacking talent and they pushed owners to get some new blood.

There is more talent out there waiting for a ride and drivers like Paul Menard ties that position up just because he brings sponsorship from his daddy.

Danica Patrick tied a position up for years as well just because she was a woman and marketable.

I will say again the last couple years more talent has come in but lack of talent went on for years. I am hoping more talent comes in and push the track fillers out.

Of course NASCAR itself needs to get back to doing things right itself. Lol

I for one think there is to much technology available to these race teams. Technology advances have replaced driving experience compared to old school driving.

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I agree with much of that however after that last pit stop it's in the hands on the wheel. Use it up, save it, a combination of both, praying the car in front of you blows up or runs out of gas is a skill all of us have. lol

Technology has made it more competitive to me. I recall being at Dover one year Richard Petty blew an engine and it took 7 laps before he fell from the top spot on the scoring pylon. Wasn't much of a race up until that point. lol

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I do remember some races where one driver would have the whole field lapped to the point where it was not a race anymore. Lol

I guess it's a balance and NASCAR is still trying to level the playing field between the teams.

No doubt they have it tough to balance but yet maintain fans, competitiveness, and sponsorships.

And no doubt they must keep all of those factors in consideration. My point about to much technology is these cars are easier to drive and safer then the Dale Sr and Richard Petty days.

I think a dirt track series would be great to follow on the track and in the pits like they do at this level.

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I agree, dirt is the real thing.


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LOL

Funny argument considering NASCAR can barely fill a Cup race these days, and some times doesn't.

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150,000 at Daytona......Ok.


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NASCAR is a joke. What started as out as hard luck po’ folks trying to make a a living. Has, as mentioned turned into a rich boy thing. Some poor kid with shoes to small and holes in his jeans living in Appalachia ain’t gotta prayer to be in NASCAR.

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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
150,000 at Daytona......Ok.

Huh? Discussion, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with crowd size. Try to keep up.

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150,000 at Daytona......Ok.

Huh? Discussion, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with crowd size. Try to keep up.


I have no idea what you are talking about then because they had teams that didn't qualify and went home apparently they had plenty of folks that wanted to be in it.


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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper

I have no idea what you are talking about then because they had teams that didn't qualify and went home apparently they had plenty of folks that wanted to be in it.

The 500 always has excess teams show up because it's big enough that small teams can show up and run like crap, yet still not lose money. Sponsors actually get their money's worth. Watch the rest of the year and you'll see. The days of 46+ teams showing up for qualifying every week are long gone. If I recall, the spring Atlanta race last year only had 35 or 36 cars show up. So the argument that "rich kids" are taking up spots that could be filled by more talented drivers is about 15 years outdated and ridiculous these days.

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No the day rich kids are taking spots are still here. They are filling the regular full time driver team positions that run every week.

NASCAR has lost the other part time filler teams due to lack of sponsorship. Sponsorship has fallen dramatically the last few years and it's become to costly to run without it.

Two main factors are killing the small teams. First being lack of sponsorship and the other is to costly to keep up with all the high technical necessities to run.

That was my point earlier that if they kept the cost down on technology advancements they would have more teams affording to run.

Daytona is one race where everyone likes to show up and race due to its anyone race to win. Like this last race only 3 cars out of the whole pack was not involved in a wreck. Lol

And sponsorship is available for other teams to run due to the media coverage Daytona brings.

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Full of millionaire pretty boys. Not racing anymore. Oh yea ford running a mustang now ? LOL weird body style on that pony at Daytona.

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