Why? Can republicans not win over a majority of the population with their ideas?

I'm not sure about that. The way it is right now, certain states are "in the bag", so to speak, for each side. Some states are guaranteed to go republican, and some states are guaranteed to go democrat, so there's no need to campaign in those states. They just need to focus on the swing states. With a popular vote, a republican candidate would have good reason to go campaign in california, for example, because there's actually a good number of republicans there. They're just outnumbered by the democrats.

True, however they are going for the quick knock out right now. It's arrogant of them to think that the republicans will never again be the majority in the popular vote. This could backfire on them. They believe that Hillary should have won the election because she won the popular vote. Did you really want Hillary to be president?

This is a back door power grab.

Garryowen

messing with the constitution is rarely a good idea. prohibition for example.

That's exactly how it is in MN. The liberal Twin Cities has always determined the winner. That's why the electoral college votes need to be divided by district like a few other states have done.

Both parties have created a mess of what our founders intended. Our founders intended presidential elections to be an election of electors free to act as free agents not rubber stamps.

No, they cannot.

The majority of the population in this Country lives in urban centers. The vast majority of these people are liberals an vote Democrat. These are the people that believe it is government's job to protect them. They think more gun laws will make them safer. They don't seem to mind government intruding into every aspect of their lives and many of them receive free stuff;subsidized housing, food, medical...

These folks are not going to vote against their cash cow. They believe that voting Democrat and getting more free stuff beats working for a living.

Mitt Romney found this put out in the 2012 election cycle. His message was work hard for a better life. He was blown out of the water by Obama's free cell phones for everyone.

Conservatives tend to live in the country. They are the hard working, self-sufficient types that have little use for government handouts or intrusions. Look at any election map, state or Country-wide. 90% of the area will be red with the blue being all the large urban centers. They out-number the conservatives.

Add to that the liberal's control of education and the news media.

So yes, if the electoral college is eliminated I seriously doubt there would ever be another republican President unless the party goes full-liberal.

I'd love to see an electoral college system set up on a state basis for state elections, give us country folk a voice and quit having state elections decided by liberal citidiots.

If republicans can't convince a majority of voters to vote for them, then why should they be elected? Shouldn't the majority rule?


(I'm playing devil's advocate here. My point is that republicans/anybody who wants to win an election should convince a majority of voters that they have the best ideas)

It's the fatal flaw of republics. Historically republics are small as large republics tend to self implode (see Rome).

If you watch the news (and not just fox) you will see that the Democrat party is slowly breaking down. We like to put a lot of blame of corruption on Democrats, but Republicans were just as bad. Lots of promises, no action. It was the norm for our Government. Two sides with polar opposite views and the threat of losing your seat if you disagreed with your fellow party members. Then President Trump comes in. The reason old timer Republicans didn’t like him is because Trump didn’t care what they thought. He knew what the people wanted. Once these old timers realized they couldn’t control him, they had to listen. He totally reformed the Republican Party. More people are starting to agree with Republicans because the party as a whole isn’t as extreme as it once was. Now some of the younger Democrats are starting to see they can voice their own opinion no matter what their upper class men think. So now you have the old extremist liberals, and the more flexible liberals. A majority of our country doesn’t like extremism. Democrats are going to have to move more to the right just like Trump has moved the Republicans more to the left. When CNN is making negative comments about Pelosi, it shows how bad of a situation they are getting themselves into. I think that a Republican can win a Majority Vote. To do that they are going to have to adopt some of there wants, but that’s how it’s suppose to be.

Even thought they've tried, Republicans have discovered you can't outgive a Democrat.

Then republicans should try to convince people that giving away other people's money isn't the answer to the country's woes, and instead make a case for what is a better solution.

The founders were well aware of the evil of Democracy, they were familiar the the "founder of the Philosophy" Plato and his work "Platos Republic". It was never intended that every nimwit with a pulse 18 years or older be allowed to vote. As we continue going more towards "majority rules" we will see a continued decline, rights will be lost or restricted and fate will deal us a bad hand and hard times, from those hard times strong men will arise to lead us back towards good times and the cycle will continue as it always has and always will.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...basic-income_us_5acfa5a1e4b0edca2cb7c41a

This Guy’s Running For President And Wants To Give You ‘Free’ Money

Andrew Yang is running for president with an appealing offer: He wants to give Americans between the ages of 18 and 64 “free” money each month.

So he’s running for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020 on a platform of universal basic income (UBI) with the tagline “let’s put humanity first.” He hopes that a $1,000-a-month stipend for all U.S. citizens can ease the pain of a future where much less human labor will be needed.

So, you think the republicans need to convince liberals that giving away other peoples money won't solve our countries woes?

Garryowen

Both sides convince voters to vote for them not with ideas, but with gifts of Federal money. Most people can be bought. It is mostly a vote buying process.

I don't think so. If that were true, why do all the people getting the free stuff vote democrat?

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

Ben Franklin.


“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

Alexander Fraser Tytler

The big fish eat the little fish and when the little fish are gone then what?

Big oil came into southern Illinois and leased a lot of mineral rights for shale oil, the fight with the green people was intense but before they was even worked out the state saw that was a windfall for them and slapped a 12% tax on oil production. Thats 1/8 which used to be the owners share(they upped that to 20+%). Also during that time oil price was in a decline too. The oil business deals with markets all the time so thats a given but 12% tax was unacceptabe so before the first rig moved in the show was off.

Also a revenue for the state would be a very small tax ( not 1/8 share) on Lasalle Street transactions. But thats the golden calf that thou shall not touch.

Any way the little fish are being eaten ( the smart ones scurry to a safer place, I'm not smart ) So where does the next meal come from for these fish (may not be catfish, I'm thinking gars)

Anyway better to flee than hide in a cave where the only source of entertainment or truth is hand puppets. A cave can be a ready made grave.

If you pay no Federal taxes you should not get to vote in Federal elections. Now you can have a popular vote.

They did and do, it didn't and doesn't work. the promise of free stuff wins every time. And, as I have said many times, liberals own education and the news media. They use those two extremely powerful tools to indoctrinate our youth and propagandize the ignorant. They are winning.

We may be only a few generations away from complete socialism in this Country. It is happening now.

I am thankful the founding fathers recognized this inevitable eventuality and created a document to slow it down but I don't think there is any stopping it.