I posted, went off to physical therapy, and by the time I got back the thread was gone.

The boss must be embarrassed or jealous of all the adulation directed at me.

Jim

? Vague

you didn't see my challenge?

rats!

oh well, you just ignore uncomfortable questions anyway.

That's laughable.

It was worth it-we got to see your true colors once again.

You're a legend in your own mind.

Nope, didn't see it.

You seem to think you're able to make me feel uncomfortable. I don't ignore uncomfortable questions, I just can't respond to them all when multiple questions or comments are hurled my way.

Jim

Was it really "physical" therapy? Or another kind??

pointing out your logical inconsistencies doesn't make you uncomfortable?

oops...forgot that you are a lawyer. (it WOULD bother most people)

Sounds like you need a safe space..

Don't be coy, man. No one is going to hurt you. Spit it out. What hypocrisy? (If you can say it without restarting whatever got the other thread deleted. If not, PM me.)

Did you ever get that new rifle sling?

Jim

hypocrisy was the wrong term...I corrected it to "logical inconsistencies".

I did get that sling...I appreciate your input on that!

Did the meme thread get James upset?

Sorry

I missed all the excitement. Curious!

Like most people, I am inclined to ignore logic when my feelings get in the way. But I don't think that's the case here.

Jim

breaking hews from national enqueerr ....james has been dating cortez

Jim, cohen, Lawyers, any questions?

yeah, it is.

pm sent.

Sorry, wrong thread!

Attorneys are easy to hate on............ until you need one.

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To the extremists, on both the left and the right, anyone who does not toe the party line on every single item is a hypocrite. This group think is easier for the followers and the leaders, just pick a couple issues and the low hanging fruit falls into your basket. Nothing else needs to be done-their vote is counted well before the election.

This. It's kinda like what Mitt Romney said: 47% of the people can be counted on to vote one way, 47% can be counted on to vote the other way, no matter who their candidate is or what their candidate does or says. It's only the 6% in the middle that they have to worry about swaying. I'm not sure why people got all upset at him for saying that, it seemed like common sense to me. Most people are willing to turn a blind eye, or even justify, the things their guy does that go against what they believe, things they'd rail a guy for if he was affiliated with a different political party.

It's always about picking the lesser of two evils. Always.

Missed it but guessing something about Trump. Just know if the economy keeps cookin', Trump wins a landslide in 2020.

I understand that mindset, especially in battle ground states where a single vote matters, even though I may not agree with it. But just because a person voted for the lesser of two evils, doesn't mean you can't call your guy out on something they did wrong. It's okay to say "hey, I don't like that politician did X. I voted for him because I thought he supported X, but when he did X it totally goes against that." No politician is perfect and they all do stupid stuff, that's why they're politicians

Agreed, goose!

Most of you "progressive" thinkers are missing the point here, and the point of the original post. The point is that a vote for a Democrat is usually a vote for restricting Second Amendment rights.

The question was ask; how do admitted Democratic voters reconcile their voting record with their desire to own and use guns.As usual the question was diverted, deflected and generally went unanswered while many irrelevant questions were ask and unrelated ideas postulated.

The same question can be ask in regards to our freedom to trap. I can point out many states where trapping has been sharply curtailed and/or severely over-regulated. The large majority of the elimination and over-regulation of trapping practices was accomplished by Democrats in Democrat-controlled states.

Yet there are many on this forum who proudly admit voting Democrat. Some of them even brag about it.

We who vote to protect or 2A and hunting/trapping rights would like to know why.

In the years I've been a member here, I've not seen any answers that make any kind of sense.

I don't vote democrat (or republican) but I think the reason gun owners vote democrat is because guns are not the number one issue for them. Guns aren't the number one issue for a lot of people. They may feel that other social or economic issues are more important.

You don't think guns and trapping rights should be one of the top issues for folks that frequent a trapping site?

2A rights should be at the top of every thinking persons list of voting priorities. Without the second, the other amendments don't stand much of a chance do they?

I never said I thought gun and trapping rights should be one of the top priorities for folks that frequent a trapping site. I agree with what you're saying completely.

Goose didn't say that was his view....he stated that the majority of voters don't view gun rights as their primary concern. Your other questions are valid and should be talked about more in a rational manner by people in the mainstream, not just some little known trapping site.

Without 2A, there will no longer be a Bill of Rights or any Constitutional protection. You will be told what to do and when to do it by your dictator. Anyone who doesn't vote, based on gun rights, is an idgit.

I will NEVER vote for the baby murderers. If you don't have the right to life,what other rights do you think you have?

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Is this what you speak of Lugnut?

That's it!

The individual has no rights! You will conform, do, and think as your told! What ever the popular flavor of the current party is. That's what you will like! If your lucky enough to survive the change of power every time it changes?

In America (our REPUBLIC)

Your rights are GOD GIVEN!!!!!!!!! Which means you have the right to defend them at all cost against man and govt!

The Marxist, scosialisim, communist, islamic garbage our DEMOCRATIC party and RINOs are now pushing. Means your rights are granted by govt and man! Which means you have no rights unless they tell you you do! Not even the right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness.

To be blunt

If you fully understand the what the Democratic party stands for these days and willing identify, support, and vote for them? You are an enemy of America! No other way to diagnose it! Democratic party hates our Constitution, kills babies, protects criminals and non-citizens over law abiding citizens, wants to disarm the population, and hates GOD!

I'll also lay that statement on any Republican who repeatedly votes in the RINOs who run as a Republican in red states only to support the Democrats when in office! No! Your worse than the Democrats. Because we at least know they hate America and can count on them to do what they do! You on the other hand say your our friend then stab us in the back when we turn around.

I do not understand it either, wish those who voted for Tony evers over Scott Walker would explain why, and there were more than a few on here. So far our new democrat Gov. has 1) proposed legalizing marijuana, 2) pulled our Reserves away from the border because he sees no problem, 3) today proposed giving drivers licenses to ILLEGAL aliens, 4) Wants meaningful gun control laws.
We new all this going into the election, no suprises.

Legalizing marijuana should be a Republican supported policy. Republicans claim to support small government, part of that means not telling people they can't grow a plant that grows naturally, and not telling people what they can and can't put in their body. Democrats want tell people what they can or cant put in their own body, through mandated vaccines, limits on soda sizes, banning trans fats,, etc. Republicans should differentiate themselves as the party of bodily autonomy.

(Just so we're clear, recreational weed is for losers, vaccines are good, soda is just sugar water, and trans fats are nasty, but that's not the point. The point is that a party that is supposed to support freedom and small government should support not telling people what they can or cant put in their body.)

Scott Walker was a cool guy, I was disappointed to see him go. I loved watching democrats expose themselves as elitists when they made fun of him for not having a college degree.

I am on the fence on the whole MJ thing, BUT before I want ILLEGALS getting drivers licenses, I want the roads I PAYED for fixed. Our roads are in shameful condition, so our democrats instead of working to fix them are putting ILLEGALS on them.

Diggerman: You forgot this:

Despite claiming he was planning to raise no taxes while campaigning, the Governor raises several of them in his proposed budget. This includes property tax, the gas tax, capital gains tax, taxes on manufacturing companies, and more. The total tax increases total just over $1 billion.

I can think of no office in America that I would knowingly vote for a Democrat to fill. I keep a tight rein on my mind for fear it might venture where liberals allow theirs to go.


Surprised Hal hasn't surfaced yet. MIA for a while.

James , i still wanna know if you would vote for AOC if she ran for president ?

You stated you will vote for any democrat in 2020

I believe he said he would vote for, "Any Democrat with a pulse." So I would assume AOC would qualify for James' vote.

Fortunately for all the rest of us, AOC is only 29 years old. You have to be 35 to run for president.

Disturbing , knowing that dems are the enemy of our gun rights , trapping ,and a long long list of others

Not defending James. But if they support late term, they have on heart thus no pulse.
And you only have to be 30 to be VP
So she could be on a ticket.
Gotta think like lawyer to beat a lawyer.

The age thing is just a recommendation,lol

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Kinda like to know why my thread got removed? Kinda bullcrap as I didn't violate any rules!

you didn't but you can't control what others post.went straight to a political peein match.

I generally don't complain much about taxes (compared to others) but I hate property taxes especially here.

Every time I try to answer that question, someone here (I'm not sure exactly who) takes offense at my answer and gets the thread deleted.

Who is AOC, anyway?

Jim

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

And I'm supposed to know who she is because...?

Jim

She’s the boss. At least she said she is. I take it she meant of the Democratic Party but who knows, maybe she was referring to the entire country

Jim, She's a newly elected up and coming star of the far left, and has been in the news a lot lately.

I suspect she is more on Fox News than the networks I watch.

But I haven't been watching the news much lately, except for the stuff about North Korea.

Jim

She was mentioned many times at the CPAC coverage I saw.

Hope your physical therapy is going well. Those folks sure got me going again after a few back surgeries.

She's probably best known for her "Green New Deal" proposal, and her desire to abolish ICE...Pretty much a right winger's nightmare.

Actually, she is the new 29 year old darling of the liberal media so I imagine she is on all the networks a lot. She is one of the stars of the New Green Deal to abolish all fossil fuels, eliminate all air travel and gasoline operated automobiles, re-structure every building in the United States to run on green energy, have families re-think about having any children, eliminate all cattle since they produce methane gas, etc, etc. She wants all this done in 10 years and said money to do it all should not be a problem since the world may end in 12 years if we don’t do it.

I do not understand it either, wish those who voted for Tony evers over Scott Walker would explain why, and there were more than a few on here. So far our new democrat Gov. has 1) proposed legalizing marijuana, 2) pulled our Reserves away from the border because he sees no problem, 3) today proposed giving drivers licenses to ILLEGAL aliens, 4) Wants meaningful gun control laws.
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I don't understand it either. Perhaps Muskrat can give an update on how "Team Tony" is doing on the railroad crossing issue.

Zim

Yeah, things tend to go that way ( I'm guilty ) but my thread seemed more civil than this one?
Why not nix the offending posters instead of the whole thread?
I was serious and since James is one of the few libs I " kinda" listen to, I wanted to hear his side.

James knows!,....don't be coy.,...an amendment to the gun bill: R's have proposed that if a non-citizen attempts to acquire a firearm,..the onerous is on the dealer to notify ICE that an illegal transaction was attempted. Dems are furious,...why afford latitude to illegals when we can subjugate the rights of our own citizens!,..Kinda of an obvious display..

I wonder, under what circumstances, a person would develop the dislike for our great country to the point it would compel them to vote for a democrat? Cant get my head around it.

Yippee kai Aaaaaaaa Cow patty

That's where I'm at.

People stranded alone on desert islands have heard of her.

public school indoctrination.

I find it hard to believe that anybody who hasn't been hiding under a rock for the last several months doesn't know who Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is.

And liberal media propaganda.

Yep.

Yep.

I've been working a lot and have only paid attention to the NK negotiations, and also the Cohen testimony.

I may have seen her on CNN, but didn't recognize the name. I can't put a face to the name.

For heaven's sake, why would I lie about something like that?

Jim

Is that to be taken as a rhetorical question?

No.

Jim

Lawyers are known for their honesty Posco.

I have a brother-in-law and a nephew who practice law. Why do they call it practice? I want someone who knows what they're doing.

I trust James.

He goes by Jim and James. I'm on the fence.

So do I.

how hard would you try to [further] discredit a witness against your client, who was waiting to serve his jail sentence for lying under oath to a legal body?

James. My father is a die hard lib. He lives for CNN, MSNBC.
Sometimes I " ponder" if he don't pleasure himself while waiting for the next scandal about Trump to come about.
Shall we make a bet that the Cohen deal turns out to be a witch Hunt?
Similar to the Obama citizenship crap the gop started?

As hard as I could. I always tried my best for a client.

Jim

OAN. That is all you need, James. And Liz is easy on your old eyes.
Go to the light.

I grew up in a liberal family. My father, mother, oldest brother, uncle...all liberals. They used to gang up on me at family gatherings. I loved it. I was the Alex P. Keaton of my time.

I have no doubt in my mind that you did.


(Cohen is an impeached, unreliable witness).

I'd claim to not know who AOC is if I was stupid enough to say I'd vote for a democrat too.Lol

Yup!

I haven't watched television news period in over 6 months or listened to the radio but I know who that fruitcake is

One thing she assumes is that voters like james will tag her preposition,....I summarize, James will stall,....and do the right thing!

"Why do they call it practice?"

Maybe because it's one of those jobs where you're always learning.

Regarding AOC, I did some Googling and must say I like the woman's style (questioning Cohen), but some of her policy positions are ridiculous.

Jim

Welcome aboard James! Always good to shake new hands.

Well AOC voted yesterday on a gun control bill. She was upset that "they" "snuck" in an amendment that expands ICE and how now she will have to try to explain that to her constituents.

This tells me that they are more worried with limiting the 2A than they are the immigrant families and children that they've been politicizing for the last few months.

First off AOC wouldn't be legally allowed to run for Pres in 2020.

James, She is one giant contradiction. Go green Go vegan. I lived 138 feet from a subway but I'll rack up thousands of dollars in private car fees to travel within my district. Go Vegan...... But ignore this giant burger I'm eating with my staffer. And how dare you invade my privacy by taking my picture, in a public place while I'm doing it? But I want Trumps tax returns made public.

Ohhh yeah the world is going to end in 12 years.... Al Gore has been saying that for over 30 years. Cow farts are hurting the environment.

Trust that he will vote for bernie in 2020.

But you'd still vote for her for President in 2020 if she was the Democratic nominee correct?

After all, she would meet your sole requirement of "any Democrat with a pulse."

Hi James,hows rehab goin.

To me the question I'd like James to answer is what is so bad about Trump that he'd vote for "any Democrat with a pulse"?

Trump has done a good job as President, I think an argument could be made that so far he is one of the best in recent history.

I can understand someone objecting to his style, his behavior, whatever you want to call it. But that really is of no consequence at the end of the day when your freedoms are being taken away little by little by the Democrats.

But to ignore the insanity of a good chunk of the Democrat party and say anyone of them is better is really mind boggling.

James, why do you hate freedom so much that you'd vote for any Democrat?

A friend sent me this text. If you want to anger a conservative lie to them. If you want to anger a liberal tell them the truth. Got a hearty belly laugh from this one, so true though. My liberal friends start hurling insults when I tell them the truth. Typical tactics I tell them and they just get angrier.

We (all of us that vote to protect our 2A, hunting and trapping rights) would like to hear the answer to your questions. That is what bucksandbeers' original post (that got deleted) was about; trying to get an answer to that question.

As long as I've been a member here, there have been members proud to admit they vote Democrat. They have never been able to give a reasonable answer when ask to explain why.

So that leaves us to come up with our own answers.

In my opinion a lot of the bragging the forum liberals do is for the attention it garners. Why would anybody come to a message board populated in large part by freedom-loving, gun-owning trappers, hunters and fisherman and start claiming the virtues of, and confirm their support for, a political party bent on limiting our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. A party that ran on an anti-gun platform in 2016 and are still all about infringing 2A? A party that has consistently over-regulated and/or eliminated our hunting and trapping rights?

There has to be a bit of attention-seeking involved. The rest of the motivation will never be clear to me. Do they believe the anti-gun propaganda the liberal media constantly spews? Have they been so thoroughly indoctrinated through early education that they can no longer form rational thoughts?

I for one would really like to hear rational, common-sense explanations from any liberal as to why they think and vote the way they do.

But I doubt that will ever happen.

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We (all of us that vote to protect our 2A, hunting and trapping rights) would like to hear the answer to your questions. That is what bucksandbeers' original post (that got deleted) was about; trying to get an answer to that question.

As long as I've been a member here, there have been members proud to admit they vote Democrat. They have never been able to give a reasonable answer when ask to explain why.

So that leaves us to come up with our own answers.

In my opinion a lot of the bragging the forum liberals do is for the attention it garners. Why would anybody come to a message board populated in large part by freedom-loving, gun-owning trappers, hunters and fisherman and start claiming the virtues of, and confirm their support for, a political party bent on limiting our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. A party that ran on an anti-gun platform in 2016 and are still all about infringing 2A? A party that has consistently over-regulated and/or eliminated our hunting and trapping rights?

There has to be a bit of attention-seeking involved. The rest of the motivation will never be clear to me. Do they believe the anti-gun propaganda the liberal media constantly spews? Have they been so thoroughly indoctrinated through early education that they can no longer form rational thoughts?

I for one would really like to hear rational, common-sense explanations from any liberal as to why they think and vote the way they do.

But I doubt that will ever happen. [/quote]


There are a couple on here that will forgo their 2A rights, their money to new taxes, sharing the road with Illegals, and the socialism of Wisconsin all cause they were the victims of public union weakening at the hands of those dastardly Republicans.

I know a few who always vote democrat.

There is alrge amount who are just ignorant of whats going on.

There is turning a blind eye to what the left is doing. It will be justified in say "well that's not a democrat" When was the last time you heard a democrat condemn these acts?

The left/democrats are chipping away at the freedom of speech, they want to eliminate "hate" speech, guess who will be the one to determine what is hate speech?

The want to eliminate the right to own guns.

They want open boarders, look at the debate on funding the wall. "its immoral" "it costs too much". Since when did democrats ever complain about the cost of anything. Look at the cost of the green new deal, its of no concern, but less than 1% of the budget spent on securing the boarder is too much money?
And since when did democrats care about morality?

A good argument can be made that the democrat party wants to destroy America and turn it into Cuba. After all they love Castro and Che and wow, free heathcare in Cuba. Never mind lack of hospitals/equipment/technologies and doctors.

Come on James answer the question, Why do you hate freedom so much that you'd vote for any democrat?

Man some of you guys are pretty funny LOL!


Mac

well said Lugnut I totally agree!

Not as funny as a closet democrat.

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The days of accepting our neighbors , friends , and family as just having different views are over. DEMOCRATS are the enemy of America.

Jimmy james said it himself " i will vote for any dem with a pulse " .


Dems are the ones who will try to take our gun rights away and ban trapping .......................its not hard to figure out

While I agree with you about our gun rights. And I could never vote for someone who wants to limit them. I also can’t support anyone (look Bush and the “patriot” act) who wants to limit Americans 1st and 4th amendment rights. Or any rights for that matter. We need to get away from party politics and group think. I wish we could educate the skulls full of mush that blindly follow the free stuff army and the entitlement mentality. We need to create an informed electorate.

it's never going to happen unless we GET INVOLVED in the education system at EVERY level!

I've heard that Malcom X once said [paraphrased]...'Only a Fool would let his enemies educate his children'.

well, what have WE been doing for the last 40 years????

Exactly right White Marlin.

I agree, we need to change it. Everyone needs to be involved with their local school board.
My son will be going to private school.