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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481201
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I mean the left versus the right, and the right versus the right, and the left versus the left--if they are all trappers and hunters.

Why alienate someone who would be on our side, just because they disagree with us about the president, abortion, gay rights, or whatever else has nothing to do with the outdoors?

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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: houndhntr86] #6481203
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Originally Posted by houndhntr86
ok my turn, everyone look around there home, there driveways.

How many have dawn dish soap in there homes? look at the label on your pants... Levi? shop at home depot? drive a Nissan or Subaru? Eat McDonald's? yes even the president of carhartt! and I could go on and on!

all supporters of things were against!! everyone look around, we are/ all have at one time supporting the companies that are against our lifestyles.

I have been and am proudly a lifetime member of the nra for 14 years now. since I was 18. am also a proud sponsor of du, rmef, wtu, wbha, pf.
wear wrangler jeans, ajax dish soap, old mill jacket, drive a dodge 2500 Cummins, can't stand McDonald's, and don't have a home depot anywhereeven close. fleet farm and Menards for me!




I agree with you to a point. But you better include musicians in there. Unless you listen strictly to classic country your favorite musicians likely are against what we know and love. You gotta draw the line somewhere and realize people suck and we ain't gonna agree on everything


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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481204
03/05/19 02:58 AM
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I am for anyone that supports the 2nd amendment.

So yes by all means join us and the organizations that fight for us.

Kind of going against your party though but I guess a person picks a party for many reasons and you don't have to agree with all their beliefs.

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: 52Carl] #6481291
03/05/19 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
While I am all for belonging to the types of outdoors organizations which have been listed above, I have a different view of dealing with organizations such as PETA (their national headquarters is 8 miles from my house).
Ignore them.
They feed almost entirely upon attention. Don't feed them.
Our ultimate protection for continuation of what we do is in the hands of the State Game Departments. They typically are not fond, nor supportive of PETA and other like organizations.
Spend your time and effort on making sure that there are laws in place which specifically protect you from the likes of PETA. More and more States are passing laws to do just that.
And there was a study published recently that showed 46(?) of up and coming Biologists did not support trapping as a management tool.And those right-to- hunt do not protect what we are doing.Its gives us the right to hunt,but does not say how or what devices we may use.And for you guys in states that assumes trapping is a part of hunting and is covered too,don't hang your hat on that.The outdoorsmen of this state went thru that years ago with the National Park Service at Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore.All consumptive traditional uses of the land ,with the exception of logging was to continue.Nobody had a problem with trapping in the park until one superintendant and his wife,who were bird hunters and hunted with dogs came along and hated trapping.The court found because it did not specifically spell out trapping,it was not the same as hunting and could be banned,a ban that continues to this day.


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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481319
03/05/19 09:31 AM
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Trapping is a right under the Kansas constitution but so is the individuals right to keep and bear arms. We have a state law that makes enforcing federal gun law a felony. That law is not enforced. ATF agents do not get arrested and charged. You still have to play ring around the rosie at the gun store to buy a firearm.

Do not rely on politicians largess to keep trapping. Colorado and California were both explored by white trappers long before any other white people knew either one even existed. The more urban your state becomes the more freedom you will lose. People who live in a world of asphalt and concrete simply can not conceive of the world you live in. People east of the Mississippi can not conceive how big some parts of the west are unless they have seen it.


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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481354
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James, to answer your question, although you already know the answer, those that support the left are supporting those that would end consumptive use of wildlife and take your guns away, almost to a man. I don't know how any outdoorsman or gun owner could vote democrat in these times.

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: WBG] #6481370
03/05/19 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by James
[quote=WBG]James, to answer your question, although you already know the answer, those that support the left are supporting those that would end consumptive use of wildlife and take your guns away, almost to a man. I don't know how any outdoorsman or gun owner could vote democrat in these times.


I agree with you 100%.

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: WBG] #6481401
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Originally Posted by WBG
James, to answer your question, although you already know the answer, those that support the left are supporting those that would end consumptive use of wildlife and take your guns away, almost to a man. I don't know how any outdoorsman or gun owner could vote democrat in these times.


Would this be like having two cakes. One with pretty frosting and the other has a better cake formula.

So you scrape the frosting off the one and put on the other.

I don't think it works that way.

The parties are what they and you are either eating one or the other.

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481447
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Politicians that are for abortion and open borders are also for more gun legislation and eliminating trapping, and have proven it by their voting record. One has to pick a side.

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481461
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What if your side is shall not be infringed? No socialism? Right to use property? Right to privacy? Right to operate a business? Right to work as much as you want to? Then who do you vote for?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: danny clifton] #6481474
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
What if your side is shall not be infringed? No socialism? Right to use property? Right to privacy? Right to operate a business? Right to work as much as you want to? Then who do you vote for?


I'd say, some day you'll grow up and realize that humans haven't had those things since the cave-man days, if then.

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481508
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Liberals are patently dishonest. I saw a headline where the Dems are bent out of shape at being labeled socialists. They know the country isn't quite ready for it yet and they need more time cement what gains they think they've made. Why lie? What else are they lying about? I will never surrender to them, they're not fit to be called Americans.

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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481660
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My grandad was born in 1903. There was no federal reserve, no firearms laws, no zoning, no business license's , no federal reserve bank. Nobody told farmers what to grow or not grow. They were free to sell anything they produced, to anybody who wanted to buy it, for whatever price they could agree on. From the pictures I've seen they did not live in a cave. I think this must have been taken about 1904. The adults are my great grandparents. I don't think they were cave people either.

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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: racerboy108] #6481663
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Originally Posted by racerboy108
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Remember, the antis aren't better organized...just better funded.


Sorry Sniper but I have to disagree as the antis are better at getting their message out.


They are very good at getting to people’s emotions without any facts to back them up. Look at the HSUS and ASPCA ads. I friend of mine was going to start giving $100 yearly to HSUS due to their emotional ads. However, when I told him they got a D- grade from HumaneWatch, he decided to give it to the local no-kill animal shelter. At least that is $100 less the HSUS will putting in their coffers.

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6481741
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Originally Posted by MinkGuy
Our rights are being taken slowly. Our way of life is being threatened. Our states and their trapping rights are being stripped one by one. PETA has listed that in 2018 they received $54,285,044 and they claim 6.5 million members and supporters. They are campaigning at laboratories, the food industry, clothing trade and entertainment.
They are fighting against the killing of rodents and pests. They don't want companion pets to be on a leash or locked up in a home. They want cattle and livestock to be required to be in out of the elements. They don't want us to eat meat or wear leather or fur garments. Zoos are considered targets as well as hunting and trapping.
They work against us in education, investigations, legislation, and attack our events, with celebrity involvement and protests campaigns.
Still we let them run all over us. We have many trappers who don't belong to their state and national organizations. We have trappers who post tasteless pictures, we have trappers who find fault with our state and national organizations, fur auctions and each other.
Wake up your neighbor and ask yourself if you can do better? I will ask you to support both the NTA and FTA, join and participate in your state association. Don't tell me this is wrong or you are mad about this and that. Get with the program and stand up and fight. It is time to show a united front with each organization coming together from Pet owners, livestock associations, ducks unlimited, Elk foundations, NWTF and every other group including Fur Ranchers and Garment Makers.
An attack on Canada Goose is an attack on us. Tell me why I am wrong and why you don't participate or why you don't belong. I will tell you that if you aren't a part of the solution then you truly are a part of the problem!


I'll admit that I don't know what I don't know so I'll ask some questions. I am a life member of the PA Trappers Association & Maine Trappers Association and an annual member of FTA. I paid annual dues to the National Association for more than 20 years, but I am not a current member. Before I can support an organization I need to know what they do with the money I send to them. After hours on line the only budget info for the National Association that I can find does not look good. Does anyone have access to their current budget. Simple as this, if I send them $100 and they spend $90 internally maybe my $100 is better off going somewhere else.

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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: ebsurveyor] #6481757
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Emerson, great comment, clarity and visibility, its what we want from our government why not our ORGANIZATIONS. We know that most of the animal right groups have issues the subject, where do the funds go. I am sure this will generate alot of conversation. Thanks and I think I willl do a little digging myself. Jim

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: racerboy108] #6481972
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Originally Posted by racerboy108
Originally Posted by WBG
James, to answer your question, although you already know the answer, those that support the left are supporting those that would end consumptive use of wildlife and take your guns away, almost to a man. I don't know how any outdoorsman or gun owner could vote democrat in these times.


Would this be like having two cakes. One with pretty frosting and the other has a better cake formula.

So you scrape the frosting off the one and put on the other.

I don't think it works that way.

The parties are what they and you are either eating one or the other.

Hey Betty Crocker, that makes no sense whatsoever. Are you sure that you are in the right forum?

Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: MinkGuy] #6482012
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Originally Posted by Posco
Liberals are patently dishonest. I saw a headline where the Dems are bent out of shape at being labeled socialists. They know the country isn't quite ready for it yet and they need more time cement what gains they think they've made. Why lie? What else are they lying about? I will never surrender to them, they're not fit to be called Americans.

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Good , good post, Posco.


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Re: Beat me up- go ahead I'm ready for a fight [Re: James] #6482052
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Originally Posted by James
Maybe we should also tolerate political differences amongst ourselves and other trappers, hunters, and shooters. If they support trapping, shooting, and hunting, they ought to be considered allies in the fight against the antis, regardless of their positions on other issues.

Insisting on lockstep political correctness is a surefire way to be divisive. Plays right into the antis' hands. Jim


but if they vote for people who would LIMIT our Freedoms (second amendment, especially) then they need to be called out on it.

most times, those who vote for Progressives "justify" their vote to their Sportsmen "brothers" by saying some version of "well, they'll NEVER get THAT (gun control) passed."

so Progressives get voted in and they pursue the very policies they SAID they'd pursue; and they get another half loaf of their Control Bread....

BUT...they didn't outright confiscate guns, so the trappers who voted for them can say..."see, I TOLD you"; and they'll continue to vote for their own destruction.

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