Re: Public schools
[Re: racerboy108]
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03/06/19 10:11 AM
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One of our biggest regrets is that we did not home school our children! Didn't make the commitment as we both worked full time and didn't want to decrease our income. They did both excel in college although politically they are both way left of center! Chris
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Re: Public schools
[Re: loosegoose]
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03/06/19 10:50 AM
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Public schools are a joke. They will not prepare your kids to be an adult. Homeschool your kids if possible. Exactly, the homeschool co-op system is awesome and they can have classes bout like public, just without all the smut from public nuisances. Colleges are clamoring for homeschoolers since they have proven to score high on SAT, etc and have discipline and focus. Ours still did college online while working.
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Re: Public schools
[Re: Muskrat]
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03/06/19 11:11 AM
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You need to meet with the building principal and have a chat. No satisfaction there go to the superintendent. None there go to the next school board meeting. I'll share a story later. Idiot administrators come and go.
Well, here's the story. During my 31 years of teaching high school biology I was under the thumb of four different building principals. The first one in '79 was old school to the hilt, ex-marine, and took no guff off students. The building was orderly, and of course, this was pre-computer age. The second principal was a micromanager. Had to stick his nose into everyone's business, but most changes to the schedule of the day made sense. Most.
The third principal came through the ranks, a teacher, then an assistant principal (who usually handles the discipline issues), and then became the principal. Nice guy. Easy going. If it ain't broke don't fix it sort of fella. Let the teachers teach. He always ate lunch in the cafeteria with the kids. Strengthened the connection with the kids he'd say. Well, there came Blue & Gold day one Friday, it was winter, the cafeteria was full of kids eating, and at a given moment the majority of the seniors stood up and commenced to having a jello fight, with blue and gold jello. This fella finished his meal, took his tray to the counter, and stood back and let 'em all go at it for a good five minutes. When the air was clear of jello, he told 'em to clean it up and there'd be no problems. And clean it up they did. We had heard the ruckus from our end and had gone down there to catch the end of it.
This fella retired, unfortunately, and was replaced by a woman who apparently was working on her doctorate. We jumped through hoops we never knew about at the beginning of each year. New administrator and she became more emboldened with more hoops and more silliness. And the new assistant principal became her sidekick.
Back to time between classes and restroom passes. We played the 4-minute game, then the 3-minute game, and finally went back to the 5-minute pass between classes. Lot of trial and error there, but at least we got back to the five minutes between classes without much drama.
So here's where we went with the restroom issue: the edict was declared at a faculty meeting there would be no more restroom passes during class time, and between classes teachers would be taking turns standing in the restroom to monitor the behavior of the students. Fortunately, we had a solid core of teachers with a backbone who challenged the new rules immediately. The restroom guarding was knocked down almost immediately by asking the principal and asst principal who was watching the classroom with students in it while the classroom teacher was guarding the restroom. Hmmm . . . hadn't thought of that.
Next, what if there was an :"emergency" by a student who had to use the restroom between class changes. The two administrators looked at each other, and off the cuff the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)'t said to call him, and he would come down and escort the student to the restroom. If he wasn't available, the principal would. And if she wasn't available, the athletics director would. Guess they had this ready to go. So I'm looking around and everyone else was apparently going along with this, until I raised my hand.
So, I said, let's imagine this scenario (which had happened twice already in my teaching years there of mostly sophomores), where Suzie comes running up to the front desk with a look of horror on her face, and I notice a small puddle of blood on her chair. I said do I tell her to head to the restroom immediately, or do I tell her she needs to wait while I call the office. There was silence in the room, and the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)'t principal said well, if it's a REAL emergency, just let 'em go. So I asked what categories would be REAL emergencies. And we all debated that for awhile. Filling one's pants would be, obviously an unexpected period would be, maybe throwing up would be, and on it went until the principal announced they'd discuss it and get back to us. And that was the end of that.
If you struck out with the principal, you need to talk to the district administrator. If no satisfaction there, the school board would be next. There's no guarantee the proverbial "next town" is going to do anything smarter.
Now, in defense of "home schools" . . . in the beginning of the rise of home schools that I witnessed back in the 80s, it was 50/50 IMO whether or not the students "graduating" were getting a solid education they could use to pursue further education at a vocational school or college. But what I saw before I retired in 2010 really did impress me. Caliber of learning materials and the networking between families online. Outstanding.
I wish you good luck. Your kids will turn 18 sooner than you think. I would check out the home schooling situation before transporting them to the next town.
Oh, just one more story. There was this one family that home schooled their three girls. One of the girls was in my daughter's karate class and had become good friends. This girl's mom called me up one day to ask me if I could bring some critters off the trapline over during their human anatomy unit and help the girls dissect it. And that was the start of about five or six years worth of me bringing muskrats and beaver over to their home and the dissecting was done on the kitchen table. Good folks they were, Thanks Muskrat this is very informational from a insiders view
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Re: Public schools
[Re: racerboy108]
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03/06/19 11:20 AM
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bring extra cloths , pee on their floor sitting in their chair a few times , bet they never say no again.
when you can't protest like a patriot protest like Gandhi. organize a mass (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) in since that is an unacceptable word a mass urination.
where in protest students wet themselves durring the day mid class any time they are denied a bathroom break , see what is more disturbing to class.
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Re: Public schools
[Re: racerboy108]
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03/06/19 11:27 AM
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my kids are starting the school day 8 minute earlier and going 8 minutes longer to make up for the number of weather days starting this last Monday.
assuming the 3 minute thing is a shift to make up for instructional time.
you know the school never did like my idea , which was to run 8-5 and complete all work at school 8-3 could be standard class hours and 3-5 could be study hall so that I don't have to re-teach geometry at 8:30 at night .
since the teachers would have to assist students with the work they failed to properly teach in class they could see where they needed to improve their technique.
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Re: Public schools
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03/06/19 11:29 AM
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my kids are starting the school day 8 minute earlier and going 8 minutes longer to make up for the number of weather days starting this last Monday. Lot of schools playing this game. Beats going any further into June, eh?
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Re: Public schools
[Re: racerboy108]
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03/06/19 11:33 AM
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The control actually goes beyond just needing to ask permission to use the bathroom.
Administration and some teachers are becoming to arrogant and thinking they are above the parent. This school is also known for its democratic indoctrination from teachers.
I guess the only reason we have put up with it as it's convenient to our home being only 5 miles away.
But convenience is getting to be less important compared to having my kids treated like they are in a concentration camp and told to get on the box car.
It's time to make a change. I am just curious if other schools are getting this extreme. All High schools in the state are the same
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Re: Public schools
[Re: racerboy108]
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03/06/19 11:40 AM
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When I was a freshman i went to a small school next to my hometown for a year, my brother in law coached football there and wanted me to go there to try out the school as my parents Baught a house on a lake that was In the school zone. So I decided to try it out. After about the first couple weeks I hated the system they had. Block system with only 4 classes a day every other day so you had about a hour and 45 min class each class. Anyhow some kids were causing problems in the bathrooms and they cancelled all bathroom passes during the class hours. I had to pee bad too where I just couldn't hold it. I asked mr Greene if I could please use the restroom Looked him in the eye seriously and said PLEASE. He said mr Glander take your seat. So I sat down and could hardly sit it hurt so bad. After the projector turned off it got bright in the room and there was kind of a brief silence. I could hold it anymore I made to corner of the room as he was saying "MR Glander" and I whipped it out and (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) all over the block wall and floor. Zipped up and went and sat back down. I apologized said sorry Cloudnt hold it and he sent me to the principal. I explained and never got into trouble, never had to clean it up and they next day they were allowing kids to go to the bathroom if they needed to. So I guess just have your kid pee in the hallway between classes if they won't let em go lol In all seriousness I know some kids take advantage and I imagine that with cell phones it's half about those too. I would def go to a school board meeting and express your opinion.
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Re: Public schools
[Re: racerboy108]
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03/06/19 11:42 AM
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My own public school failed me. I was terrible at math, and still am. I have trouble adding without a calculator. But they kept shoving me up into higher and higher math classes, and I kept failing more and more miserably. They kept shoving me up because I was a smart kid, good at everything else. I would get straight A's except for math, where it was common for me to have a D, if I was lucky. Never once did a teacher try harder with me to get it through to me, or to tell me "hey, maybe tell your counselor not to send you to pre-calculus". I didn't know any better, I was just a kid and did what I was told. I graduated high school with a 3.8 GPA, would have been a 4.0 if not for my math classes. I scored a 32 on my ACT out of a possible 36, it takes a 21 to get in to the state college and the average for my high school was a 19, if I remember right, the highest my friends got was a 26. My counselors were just ion love with me, told me I needed to go to college, I wouldn't make anything of myself otherwise, I was just wasting myself going to tech school, I was stupid for going to tech school, etc. Screw them. They never helped me one bit and pushed hard to convince me to take on a career path I didn't want.
This is all in addition to the liberal leanings in the teachings I received that I only now see looking back, I was too ignorant to see it at the time.
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Re: Public schools
[Re: loosegoose]
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03/06/19 11:48 AM
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. . . My counselors were just ion love with me, told me I needed to go to college, I wouldn't make anything of myself otherwise, I was just wasting myself going to tech school, I was stupid for going to tech school, etc. Screw them. They never helped me one bit and pushed hard to convince me to take on a career path I didn't want. . . . . The trades are wide open. If I was a mechanically inclined young man in today's world I'd go into the plumbing business. You'll have work forever, set your own hours, be your own boss, and have folks begging you to come "fix their problem."
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Re: Public schools
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03/06/19 11:57 AM
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. . . My counselors were just ion love with me, told me I needed to go to college, I wouldn't make anything of myself otherwise, I was just wasting myself going to tech school, I was stupid for going to tech school, etc. Screw them. They never helped me one bit and pushed hard to convince me to take on a career path I didn't want. . . . . The trades are wide open. If I was a mechanically inclined young man in today's world I'd go into the plumbing business. You'll have work forever, set your own hours, be your own boss, and have folks begging you to come "fix their problem." This. They don't push it. They pushed SUPER hard for me to go to college. I didn't, I went to tech school and am now a mechanic. My counselor straight up lied to me about what classes I needed to take to graduate, I was told I had to take a foreign language to graduate, turns out it wasn't required, it's just recommended so you don't have to take it in college. I was told I had to take small engines before I could take auto tech classes, turned out that wasn't true. Auto tech was a 2-period class, and in order to do that, I would have not been able to take these math classes they steered me in to. So they just steered me in to math classes I couldn't handle instead of steering me in to a class I wanted. When I told the counselor I was going to tech school, that I had already signed the papers and committed, I was told "keep your options open, think about your future, you're a bright kid and can do better" etc. I found a $1000 dollar scholarship on my own, 2 were available to every high school, it was only available to kids going to tech schools. Told the counselor about it, and was basically told "cool story, kid. Don't care, not gonna tell other kids about it." The whole guidance counselor experience for me was to try to steer me into their pre-conceived notion of what kind of career path I should take. ("oh you like working on cars? You're smart, go to college and become an engineer, sure it's full of math, but you'll be fine, sure it's expensive, but you'll be fine") Looking back, they push super hard for college and do their best to steer you away from trades, and this wasn't just my experience, I heard similar stories from other kids I knew going to tech schools. My public school experience was not something I enjoyed, and I don't care for my kids to repeat it
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