Re: Country buyers???
[Re: danny clifton]
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03/14/19 08:59 AM
03/14/19 08:59 AM
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IMO they like to buy finished goods but don't pay enough to get a lot of it. If carcass coons are bought for 4, then add 4 for skinning fleshing and stretching (assuming he is hiring help) then sold for 12. He is not going to pay anywhere near 12 for stretched skins. If he does it will be at an auction someplace because a broker hired him to buy the fur. Told him what size/grade/species for X amount. Buyer gets paid a flat rate.
Have seen it play out a million ways. I have sold to a country buyer for years that bought for someone else. He made his piece work and those years he obviously had the best price in the country. If he made a buck a piece and bought 1500 finished coon, that is a pretty good flip. For the seller I had no commission , no waiting for $, and 100% clearance. A lot of the time by the time you figure all the costs into it, it was the best route. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Saskayote]
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03/14/19 09:18 AM
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worked for a couple for 30 yrs,now its my turn.somebody has to buy at our district sales and like said take care of the little guys and kids.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: walleyed]
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03/14/19 09:44 AM
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Most of the fur collected by small country buyers ends up at one of the big auctions. You Canadians have been getting screwed by NAFA and before that Hudson Bay Company ever since you stole Canada from the Natives and the French. You have to pay royalties to the queen for each fur, and can't take a dump till you check with NAFA first. If It weren't for trapper owned FHA (OTA), you guys would be BOHICA-ed without pause. The United States on the other hand, has many independent fur buyers with connections in the New York City Fur Districts and with a network of Foreign Buyers around the globe. The U.S. free enterprise system works well without being dependent on no stinking auction. w Sorry to hear about your mental illness walleyed, hoping things improve for you.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Saskayote]
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03/14/19 10:11 AM
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interesting thread, I am actually contemplating being a small time country buyer down here in the lowcountry of SC. trapping here is on the rise. 8 years ago i was a lone trapper, now a lot of people trap, and I probably am responsible for some of it. I've encouraged some to get into trapping, and in turn they have got their friends into it, etc. It's actually cost me some land that I used to trap, but I still have plenty. It's good for trapping. We have a good live market now, and even more people are jumping on the bandwagon. Gives the die hard hunters something to do when deer season ends Jan 1st, as most of our trapping is from Jan 2nd to March 1st.
I taught myself how to put up fur. The only person I know of around here that put up fur was USMC47, and he left for California about the time I got started good (dang shame to, he was very helpful to me, and I wish I would have gotten to know him sooner). Now we have a lot of trappers, and they don't know what to do with bobcats, otters, beavers, etc. And they don't care to learn, they just want to trap. I can pick what I want and process accordingly. Fur market is down, but if I can pay a few bucks for carcass otter and bobcat, and turn some money off of them, why not? And if the otter market comes back, I may be in position to turn some pretty decent money.
I'm still bouncing the details, and it would be very small scale, and only select animals. It might inspire some others to put up fur. I know I very much appreciate Groenewold running a route down here in SC. If it wasn't for them, it was be either NAFA or FHA. It's nice to get paid on the spot, and have an outlet for green beaver.
Happy Trapping . . .
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Saskayote]
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03/14/19 11:32 AM
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Walleyed just wishes he was a Canadian and could trap here.They wont let him across the border,thats why he's disgruntled,lol.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: LLtrapper]
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03/14/19 12:05 PM
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Local buyers I've been around send some stuff to auction but definitely not most of it. They make their money buying green hides or carcass fur. It is discounted pretty steep. Most of them don't buy a whole lot of stretched skins. They cant buy them cheap enough. There are always exceptions but that's a good generalization. I agree with most of what you said. I disagree with fur buyers not preferring to buy finished goods. There is a smaller margin until the carcass and green stuff has hidden issues and after skinning or scraping it is not what they thought they bought. Buying finished fur allows them to see what they buy so there are fewer surprises. Also in this market, it is most profitable for the trapper to sell finished goods. This year carcass coon were selling for 4 or 5 bucks. With averages on finished coon 12 .00 and up you can average 8.00 each more by finishing. Simply skinning them was worth 4 dollars more than carcass goods. So yes you are giving over half of the fur value away by selling carcass goods. LLL This is exactly right LL. First of all you're not going to find very many people that are going to skin and scrape and finish a coon or anything for that matter for less than eight bucks. I myself would much rather buy finished for and make a couple bucks/ Pelt. Give me a couple thousand finished pelts any day over a few hundred carcass Coon! LOL. And nobody really has much to complain about if they've never finished fur before. And if they do finish their fur they're probably not going to sell to a country buyer anyways. LOL
"Nothing I like to do pays well." True Grit
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Boco]
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03/14/19 12:08 PM
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Walleyed just wishes he was a Canadian and could trap here.They wont let him across the border,thats why he's disgruntled,lol. He just afraid of those French girls after dark.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Saskayote]
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03/14/19 12:22 PM
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danny clifton
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Id quit my job to put up fur if I could get paid 8 bucks a coon. Think you could keep me busy poorcoon?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: walleyed]
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03/14/19 12:35 PM
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Most of the fur collected by small country buyers ends up at one of the big auctions. You Canadians have been getting screwed by NAFA and before that Hudson Bay Company ever since you stole Canada from the Natives and the French. You have to pay royalties to the queen for each fur, and can't take a dump till you check with NAFA first. If It weren't for trapper owned FHA (OTA), you guys would be BOHICA-ed without pause. The United States on the other hand, has many independent fur buyers with connections in the New York City Fur Districts and with a network of Foreign Buyers around the globe. The U.S. free enterprise system works well without being dependent on no stinking auction. w What he said. Walleyed is my hero. Except for the New York part.
Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Saskayote]
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03/14/19 12:43 PM
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Wow folks thanks for the insight, this has been informative. I guess part of the trouble here lies in the fact that there are so few whotrap huge areas of land. I know no one within 30 miles who traps, except in the fur block areas. Strength in numbers I guess too, huh? Yep, hundreds of thousands of trappers down here Saskayote. I'll go out on a limb and say 3/4 of them sell to country buyers and about everyone of us sold to one before.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: danny clifton]
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03/14/19 12:44 PM
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Id quit my job to put up fur if I could get paid 8 bucks a coon. Think you could keep me busy poorcoon? X2 I'd take that 100 day 4k a week only working monday threw Friday count me in lol
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Saskayote]
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03/14/19 12:45 PM
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I can tell you that my country buyer does not deal with NAFA or FHA and has a list of private buyers where we sells all his furs, and consequently, mine. I would much rather deal with him directly than waiting for the big auctions.
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: Northof50]
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03/14/19 01:05 PM
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Shake you heads Southern guys; these prairie buyers are paying 25$ for western heavy coyotes in the round. And they are only turning a Uncle Bens profit per pelt. Sometimes it's only paying for the lunch and not at the local watering hole as well. This year there were a TON of carcass buyers who were paying very high on the carcass. So high in fact that if they truly crunched numbers as a business they likely lost money. Great for the hunter/trapper though
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Re: Country buyers???
[Re: danny clifton]
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03/14/19 01:20 PM
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Poorcoon
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Id quit my job to put up fur if I could get paid 8 bucks a coon. Think you could keep me busy poorcoon? The problem is finding a guarantee eight bucks. I really don't want to do it for less than 8 bucks. But I have, I've done it for a lot more than eight bucks before 2. Need to find some sort of a guarantee from somebody. Where do you get one of those?
Last edited by Poorcoon; 03/14/19 01:21 PM.
"Nothing I like to do pays well." True Grit
"Revenge is in the hands of God, not mine." Revenant.
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