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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6493305
03/17/19 10:02 AM
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So do you have to flush and clean the membranes during the season?


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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6493440
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If your pressures start to spike or performance declines then yes. If you have a lull between uses you need to do a flush, and it should be flushed/quick rinse after each use. The bigger systems are set up to do rinse/flush during idle times of usage. Mine is small. Only 12 to 15 gallons an hour processing. So 15 gallons of 2% sugar sap becomes 7 1/2 gallons of 6 % to 8% sugar and 71/2 gallons of permeate for cleaning. It saves me about 4+ hours of boiling on just that original 15 gallons.. Now figure 60 to 80 gallons to boil on a 2x3 divided flat pan, run it through the RO and you just saved a whole lot of time and fuel. My RO is matched to my boil rate of evaporation so in reality I can run it through my RO and straight to my head tank and everything is running at the same time.

Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6493913
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Got 5 gallons of good sap yesterday and another 18 today. I figure I will get about the same tomorrow. I have to work dayshift tomorrow so it looks like I will be running the ro system tues morning. I sure hope my wife gets to boiling.

By the look of the weather forecast this weekend will be the end of it. Fine by me. We will have more than enough. Should give us 5-6 gallons. Considering that my boy and I are the only ones that eat it we will have more than enough to barter with.


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Re: Maple time [Re: trapperkeck] #6493929
03/17/19 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by trapperkeck
So, I have two great big maple trees in my yard. Not sure what kind. How much syrup could I expect? How many taps? Both are over 3' in diameter that splits into 4 secondary trunks of 12-18" diameter.
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Brian, I'm by no means an expert but I'd think you should be able to put a couple taps in each tree. How much sap you will collect per tree is mostly determined by weather. It's best when it goes below freezing at night above in the daytime. Up here in God's country, we are supposed to see the High 30s to possibly even fifties for highs the next three weeks, below freezing at night. Ideal weather. I'd like to make some syrup but I'm going fishing lol.

Gary, I have a buddy who made a RO system last year, he won't go back. IIRC he said 70 to 80 percent water removal.


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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6494990
03/18/19 11:25 PM
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I got my first sap in the pan today over LP burner, pan holds about 10 gallons. I had about 15-16 gallons of sap from my two yard trees one in my yard one in my son's yard..

First 10 gallons sap boiling
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How do you keep watch on your boil while your in the house in kitchen doing other things..( Boil Cam!) Small TV in kitchen... I actually put the camera up to watch the smoker and grill, which is just out of view as I moved the camera on the pan. Can also move camera to watch for the dogs at the back or side doors.
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The first jars of finished syrup for this year 3/18/19
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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6495839
03/19/19 10:14 PM
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Kind of a poor year so far for me. None of my trees are running well. Lost my best ones in the tornado last fall. Oh well maybe that means the sap is extra high sugar content.


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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6495878
03/19/19 11:05 PM
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My wife and I have been playing around trying to figure out what dictates the final color or your finished product. We can not narrow it down much other than we think it is how hot/hard you boil. We have had everything from very lite to very dark.

What are the experts thoughts?


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Re: Maple time [Re: mudtracker] #6495879
03/19/19 11:06 PM
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Our 2000 foot of gravity lines seem to be running quite well. Tomorrow will be the first collection from those 100 trees. Today was busy with not so much help we collected and delivered 416 gallons that was 3.3 on sugar today and put in tubs sap from another 100 trees. Tomorrow will be a big day also, but with more help.

Bryce

Re: Maple time [Re: Jerry Jr.] #6495951
03/20/19 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerry Jr.
My wife and I have been playing around trying to figure out what dictates the final color or your finished product. We can not narrow it down much other than we think it is how hot/hard you boil. We have had everything from very lite to very dark.

What are the experts thoughts?

The amout of time exposed to heat will be the greatest factor. If your batch boiling everytime you add sap you increase the amount of time exposed to heat. You will have darker syrup.

Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6495975
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Bacteria growth in the sap also causes dark syrup. This is why you tend to get more dark syrup towards the end of the season. Bacteria grows in the sap buckets, tubing, storage tanks ect.

Re: Maple time [Re: Dana I] #6495978
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Tapped Presidents Day in Feb but then temps dropped and stayed low.......got a bunch last week, then shutdown again. Anticipating a good run next couple days, and boiling all weekend.

Unfortunately, now cannot make trip to Sydney NATCA show.......

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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6496114
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Awesome looking shack there Zagman!! Ive been cooking outside for about ten years but would love to build somthing similar to what you got there. I have the building materials laying around i just gotta get to doing it... Just curious - approximately what size is that?

Re: Maple time [Re: Zagman] #6496302
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Originally Posted by Zagman
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Tapped Presidents Day in Feb but then temps dropped and stayed low.......got a bunch last week, then shutdown again. Anticipating a good run next couple days, and boiling all weekend.

Unfortunately, now cannot make trip to Sydney NATCA show.......

Zagman


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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6496317
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Shots fired lol


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Re: Maple time [Re: mudtracker] #6496423
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Very nice processing shack. Today was another big run day for us. We delivered a bit over 800 gallons of sap to our cooking setup. We have another 400 plus to get tomorrow. Sugar still holding nice at 3.4%.

Bryce

Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6500662
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the land i trap on is just starting up there new operation.250000 trrees

Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6500862
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250000 trees? I bet your not collecting by hand. LOL


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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6501223
03/25/19 10:23 PM
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WI is rated about 5th or 6th in the USA for maple syrup production. Wow quarter of a million trees!! Quebec produces over 50% of the maple syrup in the world, that makes things look pretty small around here.
We had another good run the last two days. We hauled in about 1200 gallons the last two days and that puts us up to about 3500 gallons. The last 3100 gallons have been averaging 3.3 on sugar. It only takes 26 gallons of that sap to make a gallon of syrup. Our processor takes the sap up to 12-14% sugar in the RO before cooking. He has cut his wood usage by 65% with the RO machine.

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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6501319
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Our sugar content has been around 2.3 and we didn't get the RO system up and running. Maybe next year.


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Re: Maple time [Re: The Beav] #6501982
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Big run coming today. We had other projects to do. Tomorrow will be a long, long day. 147 gals. at 3.2. from 48 trees. 400 plus to go tomorrow.

Bryce

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