Yes, it is happening as we speak and getting worse every day. Division between parties, within parties, between regular people, the fact that the desire for the soft life and greed feeds it all, the fact that no ones word means anything anymore, and that if your respectful and courteous to people they think your soft and try to take advantage....all this was talked about. [/quote]

The part about nobody’s word means anything is the part that will undermine everything, I have personal experience with this this year, I lost a fair amount of money because people didn’t stick to their word and took me in end, from now on everything will be in writing.

Sorry, screwed up the quote that was from Marty.

Instead of asking our elected officials to come our aid, we need to ask them how much bloodshed they're willing to put up with in an effort to disarm a heretofore law abiding people.

Worst part is I would bet a lot.

We need to focus on getting out the "Country Vote". When I say we I mean me and everyone of like mind which I come in contact with. The idiots who lost in 2016 still don't know that it was folks like us who pushed Trump over the hump.
Can anyone tell me that that there aren't likely twice as many of folks like us that didn't vote in 2016 only because they had not registered or didn't yet realize what was at stake?
If we get those folks to the polls, we will show those idiots what a "Tsunami wave" really looks like.

remember in history class when you learned about the revolutionary war? those men organized for a cause they believed in, and they knew what the cost of doing so would result in. but they believed in the cause so much that they said "Give me liberty or give me death". look, some men are born to be warriors, most are not. I made up my mind a long time ago that I was willing to die to preserve this country. im 41 years old and have never been married and don't have any children, both by choice, I accepted it long ago that I am an expendable resource. my grandfather was a retired Missouri state highway patrolman, my father is a retired police officer I grew up around law enforcement and respected it but I believe the culture of law enforcement is/has changed. this country is at a crossroads, either you will stand and fight or you will bow down and become a subject. I am a man of free will and will never bow down, I will not submit and I will never surrender if that means that I perish fighting for a just cause then so be it. if it comes to law enforcement confiscating our guns I will have no mercy for the ones who come for mine.

I think the only way a real rebellion will start is once the socialist take over this country causing a complete economic collapse. The biggest resistance will come from the rural people since they will be the ones to hide most of their guns when the socialist government will have already banned most ammunition and firearms from its citizens. I feel the movie “The Postman” is a realist depiction on how this country will end up after a complete collapse and after many years of chaos how it will start to rebuild itself.

He said if they get same day voter registration passed in most states it will accelerate it all, I believe he said 7 states have that now but I am not sure about that. Be working there wed-fri so I will get as much specific info as possible.

Our fore fathers would agree with you. "If there is trouble let it be in my day, that my children will know peace." Thomas Paine

Trouble on the horizon for sure . I remember talking about civil unrest on here just a few short yrs ago . Guys like Marty and I were concidered crazy . Issues with severe consequences have become much more clear lately

YES

They wont go to gun shops. There is no need. The insta check travesty was set up for one thing only. To create a data base of gun owners. They know exactly how many new guns you have purchased in the last 20 some years. I made phone call after phone call when that was proposed both to the NRA whom I was a member of at the time as well as legislators. Should have just went fishing. We are going to pay dearly for the lie that no records are kept of inquiries. Facial recognition software and driver license photo's mean you cant hide.

No way the communists/socialists/ totalitarians take over as long as we are armed. So disarmament is step one. A clear and indisputable portent of what is next.

It wont be just the ATF, there are a lot of alphabets. They will be a real danger. I doubt the average soldier will. I don't like arguing with Marty but it will be dangerous for the totalitarians to send all combat troops overseas and import foreign fighters. The foreign government is liable to try a takeover.
The danger is going to be stuff like postal police. What the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) is that even????? BLM police? IMO its the alphabets and those new "police forces" we never see but were buying all that ammunition under B.O., that are going to raise merry (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Its not by accident police forces have all been militarized.

Another danger will be those Americans who think socialism/communism is a wonderful thing. They are your neighbors. No telling what they will do. Im getting long in the tooth. Don't know how much fight I can make. I will almost certainly be dead in 30 years and 20 is more likely. I worry about my grandkids.

It seems that many are almost hoping for an armed revolt against the us government and believe most private gun owners will join in the cause. What about all the gun owners who will fight to defend the Government ?
What would the country look like the day after a revolution started?

Once they start taking away retirement, taking away from the “wealthy” many who have worked hard for many years and made many sacrifices, taking bank accounts, over a certain amount and giving to those who don’t want to work. Things will get very bad, starting in the cities and moving out. The next twenty years are going to be rough. Some of these things happen in the sixties.
Sooner rather than later, they will run out of, other people’s money.

Here is the kind of press the new face of robin hoodism is getting

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ale...llenge-trump-push-contest-151056295.html

I bet not, if it was their blood.

Nothing of significance will take place until after the first confiscation. There goes the weapons for the gun owners who would fight to defend the new socialist government.

The second confiscation is when it really gets ugly. The more alphabets that show up to the party, the more guns available. Sure some of the guns will be rendered useless in the blasts but some will just need a little TLC to be shooter friendly again.

Ammo, not guns will be the next " precious metal"

"Worker" Americans are pretty resourceful. I know a guy that has a cannon he can't get ammo for, doesn't stop him from shooting it.

I ran across this quote today and thought it germane to this discussion: