Re: Helping out the deer.
[Re: gibb]
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03/18/19 10:21 PM
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2600 lbs here this year,but i help a farmer plant and harvest.also dropped about 20 poplars they destroyed on the way to and from the feed spots.rough year on em here.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
[Re: gibb]
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03/18/19 10:40 PM
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I am at about 3000 pounds so far this year.
I have nothing clever to put here.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
[Re: 52Carl]
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03/18/19 11:37 PM
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I commend this guy's intentions, but it would be more beneficial to the deer to cut down some trees to give them what they normally eat this time of year. 2X their system is set for digesting browse now not feeds they will starve with a full belly if their systems are not changed over yet!
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Re: Helping out the deer.
[Re: gibb]
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03/19/19 12:01 AM
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Doesn't feeding deer in winter cause that CWD disease to spread?
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Re: Helping out the deer.
[Re: gibb]
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03/19/19 01:46 AM
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^ No >>> Nothing has ever shown that feeding deer causes CWD. I was told that be a warden also. What causes chronic wasting disease?
Chronic wasting disease is caused by a misfolded protein called a prion. All mammals produce normal prions that are used by cells, then degraded and eliminated, or recycled, within the body. When disease-associated prions contact normal prions, they cause them to refold into their own abnormal shape. These disease-associated prions are not readily broken down and tend to accumulate in--and damage--lymphatic and neural tissues, including the brain.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
[Re: gibb]
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03/19/19 09:10 AM
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they were gonna cull thousands of healthy deer here in PA to try and prevent the chance of it spreading from a couple.landowners told them to take a hike and now they quit the idea cause no place to do it.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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Doesn't feeding deer in winter cause that CWD disease to spread? that's what we are told of course deer never congregate around a fallen tree Just a knee jerk reaction to years of pay to hunt "farms" importing sick animals with no regulations Sure they had to be fenced but since when has woven wire stopped a disease
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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I commend this guy's intentions, but it would be more beneficial to the deer to cut down some trees to give them what they normally eat this time of year. 2X their system is set for digesting browse now not feeds they will starve with a full belly if their systems are not changed over yet! The problem with Eastern White cedar , Thuja occidentalis is the high concentrations of Thujone which is a very sever carcinogen that cause abortions to start with in the pregnant deer. Their guts have a biota that need wood cellulose to live on and this gives them the heat in winter and the nutrition, feeding corn etc flushes the system and they can die with an full stomach.
If you cut some populars their twigs would benefit the deer much more.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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my hat is off for gibb and the ones like him helping our wintering deer,if you go into one of our wintering deer yards you will see the effects of a severe winter,deep snow and cold temperature this winter takes a a lot of our deer to winter kill,i have seen this play out since the mid 50s and seems like every 10 years or so we get two severe winters in a row and lose over half of the deer,then they rebuild,they are tough but we gotta help them in these severe winters.when I was young we had small logging operations all around and they all had deer browsing the brush.we don't have that no more,logging operation are all large and mechanized now and they do help but they are not everywhere like it was. mid January is when to start supplementing feeding,alfalfa hay corn,cuttig brush down its all good. you don't feed much in a mild winter,but in one of these severe winters you will help the deer survive. now preditor control is another matter
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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^ No >>> Nothing has ever shown that feeding deer causes CWD. I was told that be a warden also. What causes chronic wasting disease?
Chronic wasting disease is caused by a misfolded protein called a prion. All mammals produce normal prions that are used by cells, then degraded and eliminated, or recycled, within the body. When disease-associated prions contact normal prions, they cause them to refold into their own abnormal shape. These disease-associated prions are not readily broken down and tend to accumulate in--and damage--lymphatic and neural tissues, including the brain. The DFW here says feeding doesn't cause it but may contribute to the spread. Sick animals inter act with healthy ones.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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I commend this guy's intentions, but it would be more beneficial to the deer to cut down some trees to give them what they normally eat this time of year. 2X their system is set for digesting browse now not feeds they will starve with a full belly if their systems are not changed over yet! True story, Deer are acclimated to woody browse during the winter and the microbes in their digestive tracts are designed to absorb buds and stems of what is growing in their wintering areas. If they were on corn all winter, their microbes would be acclimated to digest corn, but it takes time to make the switch over from browse to corn. Deer have evolved as a species to feed themselves within their wintering range. man should not interfere. w
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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03/19/19 12:10 PM
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Salt licks are the worst to spread the saliva transfer between deer with CWD. No offense, but please don't repeat these things because they're not true at all. This is how inaccurate information gets spread all over the world.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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Blue tongue is common when the deer gather in the areas with water in the dry years concentrating their numbers and increasing contacts and spreading the problem so social interaction can be harmful in some cases!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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I wouldn't feed deer corn for reasons already mentioned. I know a place that some people were feeding deer corn during the winter. They created a false deer yard and had dead deer in numbers around their house. They caused the deaths during mild winters. they had deer fighting over very little corn. they put out 4 coffee cans of corn per day for 27 deer to fight over. No browse was left in the area. Spring broke and 11 deer were dead. They started feeding early fall and I don't think the deer's metabolism ever changed to be able to eat woody products. Plus they also made trails with snowmobiles and the coyotes would curl up and sleep be side them and use them to kill deer. I believe that I read deer need 5 lbs. of food each per day and they didn't put out corn for three deer per day survive. Some of the deer carcuses were curled up like they were sleeping.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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03/19/19 01:53 PM
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Blue tongue is common when the deer gather in the areas with water in the dry years concentrating their numbers and increasing contacts and spreading the problem so social interaction can be harmful in some cases! Blue Tongue and EHD are caused and spread by midge bites. It doesn't have anything to do with social interaction, it's just the deer and midges being in contact with each other more often.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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X2 vermonster and it keeps them there instead of moving to browse areas every area is different I realize When I cut timber in the 70s and early 80s we had heavy snow and when you started a saw it didn't take long to see deer as winter progressed they actually got in the way As far as cedar I was under the assumption the resin went back to the tree in winter would this affect the toxicity of the browse?
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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03/19/19 05:05 PM
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^ No >>> Nothing has ever shown that feeding deer causes CWD. I was told that be a warden also. What causes chronic wasting disease?
Chronic wasting disease is caused by a misfolded protein called a prion. All mammals produce normal prions that are used by cells, then degraded and eliminated, or recycled, within the body. When disease-associated prions contact normal prions, they cause them to refold into their own abnormal shape. These disease-associated prions are not readily broken down and tend to accumulate in--and damage--lymphatic and neural tissues, including the brain. The DFW here says feeding doesn't cause it but may contribute to the spread. Sick animals inter act with healthy ones.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
[Re: M.Magis]
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Blue tongue is common when the deer gather in the areas with water in the dry years concentrating their numbers and increasing contacts and spreading the problem so social interaction can be harmful in some cases! Blue Tongue and EHD are caused and spread by midge bites. It doesn't have anything to do with social interaction, it's just the deer and midges being in contact with each other more often. Being together more often is not social interaction then?
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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03/19/19 06:50 PM
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snowy There was just a deer that tested positive for CWD close to you, It died in a yard where they were being fed. When I say yard I mean lawn type yard. I would bet that other deer have picked up CWD coming in to feed at the site. From what I was told CWD does not go away. Once it is in a area it is there for good.
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Re: Helping out the deer.
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Being together more often is not social interaction then?
I’m not sure you understood what I said. Again, it doesn’t have anything to do with the deer being together. The deer are forced to use a handful of water sources, which the midges also use. The midges bites the deer and the deer get EHD. It does not and can not spread from animal to animal.
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