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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498516
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They just set the Fisher end date in statue last session so might as well do muskrat.

Might be time to organize a trappers day at the capital.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: WIMarshRAT] #6498548
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT


My gut tells me this is going legislative route.



How’s that gonna affect us?

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498552
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Originally Posted by nimzy

How’s that gonna affect us?


Best stock up on some Vaseline.

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498578
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To simplify things maybe they’ll just incorporate and follow the beaver season? I’m surprised Olson didn’t think of that. Lol

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498598
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That appears to be the path of least resistance.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498670
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Originally Posted by nimzy
To simplify things maybe they’ll just incorporate and follow the beaver season? I’m surprised Olson didn’t think of that. Lol


That was my suggestion from the start, when this all started. I don’t remember who? But some people thought that wouldn’t work.

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: WIMarshRAT] #6498683
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
They just set the Fisher end date in statue last session so might as well do muskrat.

Might be time to organize a trappers day at the capital.


So all 5 of us are going to show up with 5 different thoughts on the subject. Because I'm not going to be Ok with 3 zone cluster and I can't see us In the South starting out on Nov first. And the other thing I feel that when they set a date It should be that date not the Saturday closest to that date. I know Muskrat feels that we are hindering the school kids by not opening It on a Saturday but If you want to trap then get It done.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498685
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If rat season starts with beaver dates that would end most open water fall trapping in the north. And spring ice out dates are more inconsistant than ice up dates in the fall. I like Beav's suggestion. Have a wide window and leave it up to the trapper to work with the weather each year.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498695
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I can only see one conflict with that way. And that would pertain to public lands. One trapper wants to be the first there and catches the majority number of rats. And another trapper prefers to wait for prime late fur. But now the numbers are depleted.

Keep in mind that this has absolutely no affect on me as I only trap private ground.

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498703
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I guess the same could be said about coon, coyotes, fox, etc. Some people will not wait until fur is ready; it has always been the case. But I don't think the answer is to set dates so late that it eliminates the ability to open water trap in the fall. Northern fall rats sell fine.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498718
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I'm betting that 7 days one way or the other Isn't going to effect the degree of primness at the start of the season. 200 semi prime rats are worth more then 50 prime rats caught through the Ice. With a lot less work.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498721
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I don’t like Beavs suggestion BUT I would support it. I never start on the opener anyway and always am trapping at the end. That said my only concern is the back end, I would certainly take advantage of that opportunity and put my March average against anyone’s October average any day!

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I trapped rats In ND up till May 9th one year. I got a $7.00 average on those rats so they must have been pretty good. And yes there were some bit up rats but the majority were just fine. The end of the season Is where It's at end of April would work for me.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6498736
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT


My gut tells me this is going legislative route.



How’s that gonna affect us?



https://mntrappers.org/trappers-day.html

I see one of our neighboring states had a day at the capital. Maybe it is time WI has one. Anyone attend the MN event? Was it helpful?


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: The Beav] #6498738
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In the 70s and early 80s the refuge went till April 15. Which is more then enough here. Really

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: The Beav] #6499377
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I trapped rats In ND up till May 9th one year. I got a $7.00 average on those rats so they must have been pretty good. And yes there were some bit up rats but the majority were just fine. The end of the season Is where It's at end of April would work for me.


Remember the state has two season end dates for Beaver because of the two zones. Asking to follow those end dates gives us end of March in South and end of April in North. That said, does this eliminate the need for any other rules by aligning seasons? The rule about different trap sizes during difference in seasons could be eliminated, right? Anything else? Eliminates the rule about incidental muskrat/mink during the spring Beaver season.

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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: The Beav] #6500282
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Where do we go from here?

It seems obvious that following “Mathiak Science” is outdated and unpopular, with the years of research he failed to account for that human factor...emotions, in the form of perceived access and competition.

Originally Posted by The Beav

Because I'm not going to be Ok with 3 zone cluster .
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Thanks for saying it out loud Beav! Somebody needed to. Why? Because if with spend our time whispering in our managers ears nothing will ever get accomplished.

Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
If rat season starts with beaver dates that would end most open water fall trapping in the north. And spring ice out dates are more inconsistant than ice up dates in the fall.


If we asked to start the beaver season earlier then consolidate the seasons would that be more plausible?
Or am I still barking up the wrong tree? HELP!

Was out yesterday. Spring is amazing!

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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: The Beav] #6500433
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Originally Posted by The Beav
. . . And the other thing I feel that when they set a date It should be that date not the Saturday closest to that date. I know Muskrat feels that we are hindering the school kids by not opening It on a Saturday but If you want to trap then get It done.


So we've got an opener that our dipstick legislators decided to start at midnight anyway, and you continue to want your same date opener annually which could land on a school night most of the time. So the kid attends school all day, football practice after school, gets home, eats, does homework, gets gear ready, then starts setting traps at midnight.

Or the kid waits 'til the next Saturday and is greeted in the nearest public marsh by flags waving from every 'rat hut.

Pure genius, Beav. Cuts down on the competition, eh?

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6500445
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Muskrat, if a kid is in football they would have a tough time running traps unless it was in the dark. Kid would probably have to wait until football was over, or quit sports. Might as well learn early ya can't do everything, pick your poison.

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So to ease your frekin mind we will have a youth opener just like turkey season. So that way Dad can have his kid set all his traps too.
If a kid wants to trap then he will find a way.
Just like when duck season started In the middle of the week. If you wanted to duck hunt you were In the marsh not In the class room. Kids must have changed since I was one. And we took the whole week off from school to go north to deer hunt.
I feel sorry for the kids of today that can't get up at midnight to set a few rat traps.


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