Re: Fisher in Alaska
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03/26/19 01:55 PM
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Just google Ontario Fur Managers Federation-it should come up. I don't know how to do those link things.
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Re: Fisher in Alaska
[Re: alaska viking]
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03/26/19 03:20 PM
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My brother has lived in the center of BC for the last three decades - couple hours west of Prince George. I have visited him quite a bit in all seasons. I could get really excited about trapping Marten there. Lots and lots of marten. I don't think he has fisher, but if he does, they are pretty rare. He has raised beef and has 5,000 acres of "government graze" at his disposal, until more recently. Now, he has given up his cattle herd, but knows those hills as good as anyone. I will have to "pick his brain" a little more next time we talk. He is a hunter, not really a trapper - but always hob-knobbing with local sportsmen. Mostly Aspen and Doug Fir there. Just adding this because I think someone asked about BC earlier. Obviously, if they are coming in, this is where they are coming from. Doubt anything is going to happen too fast, but over the long term, it seems they could definitely expand and adapt. AV you and me are probably too dang old to see that! But I suppose if you are concerned - you and Mad Mike could put up a border and not let em through :-)
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Re: Fisher in Alaska
[Re: alaska viking]
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03/27/19 11:40 AM
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We have few snowshoe hare in the Juneau area, (a few pockets, here and there), but usually abundant small rodents, birds, fish, berries, etc. Probably why we don't have lynx, (with the rare exception of one or two taken in a 5 year or so period) porcupine are abundant
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Re: Fisher in Alaska
[Re: Pete in Frbks]
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03/27/19 12:05 PM
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As an aside, Tim Hiller at the Wildlife Ecology Institute in Helena, MT has taken on the task of re-writing Wild Furbearer Management and Conservation in North America. The original version developed by the Ontario MNR and OTA as shown by Boco is from 1987 and it is due for a serious update and inclusion of complex contemporary issues.
I have the honor of having been invited to participate in the project. I will be working on writing part of the Trapper Education portion.
I do not recall the exact timeline, but it will be quite a while before the book/CD are out...
Pete Sounds like Mr Hiller is taking it seriously. The fact that your name will be on the list of contributors will add a great deal of credence to this new version. They couldnt have chosen a more knowledgable trapper. Think I might have mentioned this before Pete, but your name always comes up when trappers start talking about guys who really know their way around the woods even here in Canada. I first heard about you back in the early 80s when I was just getting serious about wolf trapping.
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Re: Fisher in Alaska
[Re: alaska viking]
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03/27/19 12:53 PM
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They need to update for the international trapping standards(and bmp's) for sure and add new biological and management information that has been advanced.
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Re: Fisher in Alaska
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03/27/19 01:25 PM
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RossCoak saying that it's all about food, specifically porcupine, I think is simplifying it too much. Having the ability to kill porcupine during the lean winter months I think is the deciding factor in fisher range. Porcupine are not easy to kill without a bullet or a baseball bat. If they're gonna be killed by teeth and claws then they need to be grabbed by the face. Have you ever chased a porcupine and tried to shoot it between the eyes or club it in the face? I have tried many times. I filmed this last year: start the video @ 0:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVyjb95FNK4 You see what it does when I try to get to its face? Smart critter it knows how to use that armor. Now, a fisher is about 100x quicker than my lard (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), and on the bare forest floor that you see in that video it could kill that big porcupine; but soft snow deeper than fishers' legs is going to slow down a fisher considerably. I seen a porcupine protect itself from two GermanShepards just by keeping its face up against a large tree. And once a porcupine gets up a tree it's game over; a porcupine up a tree has no natural enemies (except for maybe a bear swatting it out of the tree), not even fisher can out-maneuver it up there. Also, porcupine can hole up for weeks during freeze or times of deep snow, and are completely protected when denned up they have no enemies (except bear maybe). I do a lot of tracking in the snow when I can, and even though parts of where I trap have high densities of porcupine I rarely see their tracks, they're holed up. Most porcupine here in the Catskills are >3,000' elevation, where snow gets >3' deep most winters. Porcupine at that elevation here, in winter, have no natural enemies. They live until they descend into the valley roads to lick up the salt residue left roadside by snowplows, and then get squashed by vehicles and eaten by ravens. Up north in AK and the Canadian provinces, if it weren't for marten and wolverine (and maybe lynx?), I think roadside salt would be a porcupine's worst enemy. The book pages in Boco's photos reiterate a few things that I mentioned in my 1st post on this thread, but also says that both fisher and marten prey on snowshoe hare. What the pages don't say is that hare with snowshoes can outrun fisher in soft snow. I think those authors were analyzing scat during summer months. And I bet that the fisher scat they found that contained marten fur was during summer too. Next time you guys have a marten and a fisher side by side have a look at the feet. Of course the marten feet are smaller, but pound for pound they are much larger. Marten have "snowshoes" fisher don't. And we see this same difference between short-tailed weasel and long-tailed weasel. ST-weasels are northern animals and their feet, ounce for ounce, are much larger vs the feet of LT-weasels, which are southern animals. Bobcat feet vs Lynx feet, the list goes on and on. So again, ability to kill in winter, in powdery snow, I think that's what defines the northern boundary of fisher range. We tend to classify many furbearers as either northern or southern. Gulo northern. LT-weasel southern. But I don't think fisher fit into that simple classification. They're the only mustelid that occupy just the central part of North American continent. BcTomCat I agree fisher is an opportunistic predator/scavenger that will eat all of those animals on your list, and then some. And I like that you capitalized "CARRION" cause I know that during late winter/early spring here every predator here eats deer that starved or froze to death. (Trappers would see a lot more sign of that but come March they're usually done with land trapping so they don't see it.) Carrion is very, very important. It's most abundant when a lot of predators are on the verge of starving to death and is literally the difference between life and death. And we all seen that everything eats gut piles left by hunters during autumn. But, most of those animals on BcTomCat's list are safe from fisher in deep, soft snow. Snow handicaps fisher. Mike the only time I'd recommend porcupine as fisher bait is when non-target animals like coon, possum, skunk are clogging up sets (and I don't think you have many coon, possum, skunk as far north as AK). I'd use 1/4 carcass cut lengthwise with quills facing out. We have lots of fisher and some marten and very very few porkies + an average of 100 inches of snow each season where I trap. Some times the fisher wins the race: Too many tracks. It looked like two or three fishers came to the kill.
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Re: Fisher in Alaska
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03/27/19 09:05 PM
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EB where's the 100"?
We see leaves in those tracks; looks like the snow is <1" Those photos were 2017 first week of November. In 2018 the woods were closed on Nov. 17 for truck travel. Last I knew we were at 160 inches this season.
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Re: Fisher in Alaska
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03/27/19 09:39 PM
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I just seen a picture today that was taken above my hometown of aklavik. A coyote. I knew they’d show up eventually. Picture was taken at black mountain. Not a safe place for a coyote with the wolves that are always in that area.
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