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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6502729
03/27/19 04:06 PM
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Well...everybody says that anyway. Some places up here wont hardly hold a coyote, but lots of fox live there. Around any lakeshore where there is a large rim of cattail swamp behind it's receded shoreline. And then upland into the farm country you'll have coyotes, but not so much in the ice and shoreline areas, here, anyway.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6502735
03/27/19 04:20 PM
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This past summer somebody posted pictures on FB of foxes sitting on the beach looking out at the ocean. lol

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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6502741
03/27/19 04:32 PM
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Sure, they suspect England is over there.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: trapper les] #6502745
03/27/19 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Sure, they suspect England is over there.


lol.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6502749
03/27/19 04:47 PM
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I hate when people generalize and say PA has a high red fox population. In the east, yes, in the west, not so much.

Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6503527
03/28/19 12:16 PM
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Best red fox population I ever saw was within sight of the Atlantic on Aquidnick Island just outside Newport RI, I counted 27 from the roof top I was working on. iirc 11 den spots, all fox visible against a foot of new snow.
Maybe they were trying to get back to England.

Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: lumberjack391] #6503570
03/28/19 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
I hate when people generalize and say PA has a high red fox population. In the east, yes, in the west, not so much.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6503574
03/28/19 01:45 PM
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More yotes= less fox, the survivors hang close to the populated areas that the yotes shy away from here!


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Law Dog] #6503577
03/28/19 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
More yotes= less fox, the survivors hang close to the populated areas that the yotes shy away from here!



Seems to be the case around here . When I lived in El Reno, you'd see tons of reds in town . Not so much right outside town , though.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6503594
03/28/19 02:13 PM
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I cage more fox in coon cages then in traps unless the breed is on then they travel more from woodlot to woodlot or farm place to farm place.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: BernieB.] #6503687
03/28/19 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
When coyote populations go up, red fox populations go down. It's not coincidental at all. Reds do well along side wolves, but not coyotes.


FWIW, this is my persuasion too. ^^ I have been tromping through the fields and woods in Eastern Iowa for 40+ years now. We used to see red fox very, very commonly and almost never a coyote. This would be back in the 1970's and from talking with my grandfather and others like him, the fox population in the 70's was just a fraction of what it was back when he was a kid. I think it was the early 80's before I ever saw a coyote.

IMO, a big part of the explanation was the advent of the modern day CRP program, which came back in the mid 80's I believe. With radically more farm land idle and planted to mouse and rabbit friendly grasses...coyotes began to be much more prevalent and the fox started fading away. Nowadays, in a given year I easily see more coyotes than fox, probably a 8 to 1 ratio.

Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: seiowatrapper] #6503718
03/28/19 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by seiowatrapper
Originally Posted by BernieB.
When coyote populations go up, red fox populations go down. It's not coincidental at all. Reds do well along side wolves, but not coyotes.


FWIW, this is my persuasion too. ^^ I have been tromping through the fields and woods in Eastern Iowa for 40+ years now. We used to see red fox very, very commonly and almost never a coyote. This would be back in the 1970's and from talking with my grandfather and others like him, the fox population in the 70's was just a fraction of what it was back when he was a kid. I think it was the early 80's before I ever saw a coyote.

IMO, a big part of the explanation was the advent of the modern day CRP program, which came back in the mid 80's I believe. With radically more farm land idle and planted to mouse and rabbit friendly grasses...coyotes began to be much more prevalent and the fox started fading away. Nowadays, in a given year I easily see more coyotes than fox, probably a 8 to 1 ratio.


In north central Iowa I never saw a single coyote until the late 1980's. We had tons of red fox and we used to hunt and trap a lot of them. The CRP program started in 1986 and soon after that we started to see a coyote now and then, I think I shot my first one around 1989. Then the red fox got mange and basically died out. There were basically no fox at all by the late 1990s.

Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6503719
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I release all my reds. I might catch one or 2 each season.
At one time back In the 50s we had a state and county bounty on reds. So a red was worth $10.00 and the season was open all year long. I know of some dog hunters and trappers that killed way over 600 In year. There was NO fur value.
When the coyotes moved In the reds disappeared.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6503722
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Coyotes made a big push to the East back in the 70-80s for some reason that was when the 1.75 came into play.


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Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6503729
03/28/19 05:21 PM
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We use to have a good number of fox around here till the farmers started taking out fence rows and plowing to the road edge. Some coyotes have since moved in, but I live in the bottoms so to compare it to the bluff country wouldn't be the same.

Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Law Dog] #6503732
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Coyotes made a big push to the East back in the 70-80s for some reason.


That's right. Back in the mid to late seventies it was a big deal if a hunter shot a coyote as an incidental on a deer hunt. Made the local paper. One thing I've noticed that runs contrary to some thinking is coyote and fox existing side by side. They do just fine together here, we have a lot of both.

Re: Red Fox rare in the U.S. [Re: Kirk De] #6503733
03/28/19 05:26 PM
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MI had both in the UP woods country, but out in the flat lands the outcome for the fox might be different!


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