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Literally green beaver #6507830
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I'm new to the forum so take it easy on me. I fell behind on skinning and now she's green. Anything I can do now? Is it salvageable? Worth shipping?[Linked Image]

Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6507838
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I don't know if it's salvageable seeing those dark areas in the green areas. Wipe the green and dark down with 3% hydrogen peroxide and it will kill the bacteria that's causing the decay. Green belly is not a serious defect until it turns really dark brown or black, then you may start to see some slippage of fur.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6507847
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After it dries give it a good hard brushing on the fur side.Then you will know.
It will be downgraded regardless because it wont survive the dressing process in all likelihood.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6508048
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I think you will be Ok That doesn't look to bad to me.. Do the peroxide thing or use bleach to kill the Bactria.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6508100
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Thank you for the replies, I wiped it with peroxide. I know what I had done wrong, just trying to save my mess up.

Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6508165
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doubt you will have any problem. I keep bleach in a spray bottle for just those kinds of instances. some days in SC you can get a green belly in a 2-3 hour trapline check trip


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6508193
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I've shipped worse looking beaver. They weren't slipping they just looked bad. Sold just as well as everything else - hatter grade. They don't tan them for the hatter trade so surviving the tanning process is a non-issue. Have sent in beaver that looked liked they had been hit by a bush hog they had so many bites - sold just as well as the ones that graded SLT. I make them look as presentable as possible but when you have the beaver population that we do, they are all chewed up, even some of the little ones.

Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6508212
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That was no hatter beaver.It is a good spring hvy with prime leather and by the skirt,nice colour,and no RR and would have sold well at auction.The light green on the belly is no problem but the black marks on the back is a downgrade.It will likely go as a hatter now and sell for about half the price of its original value at auction.
Regardless you wont lose much money because of its small size.

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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509065
04/03/19 01:08 PM
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You are living in the past, Boco. If it gets a slt( old VSL) grade or worse it is getting sold ( or bought back ) for hatter prices irregardless of the fact it is a good shearable beaver.

P.S. good job on the fleshing.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509089
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Yep It's a hatter market now.

I caught a $150.00 beaver today so I really don't care. I probably should have just let It lay In stead of hauling It out.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509122
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Not according to my most recent fur return.If he hadn't let it lay there would be no dmg grade and it would have been a garment skin.
LM hvy=$17.16(garment)
LG sl dmg=$10.50(hatter)

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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509135
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SLT is not a damage grade. It is minor imperfections. and 1X to LG are selling for $13 to $9 depending on color. Hatter price. American money.

Source: FHA sold catalog.

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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509143
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You are just talking avgs,My assessment is for his NY skin,and the difference in that skin as a dmg grade(hatter) and if it had not been tainted(garment).
He lost about half value on that skin because it will be a dmg grade and go as a hatter now.
That specific skin would definitely have been a garment skin had he not let it taint.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509149
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I been told too many times" trappers can't grade fur" to go out on that limb. smile

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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509154
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Guaranteed that pelt would have been a garment pelt had it not been for the dmg,and worth double.
I am familiar with NY beaver pelts as a lot come to North Bay.Its easy to see that is a late winter pelt by the leather,the size from the lines and the color from the underfur on the skirt.Also no scars or clips showing on the leather.Good pelt except for the taint.
So it is still not much of a loss,instead of 15 bucks he would get 8.

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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509160
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Nice to have you admit that trappers may be able, to actually, grade fur. You think Beav can? I'm not grading any beaver from a picture and without seeing the fur side.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509195
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The one I got today has no clips or rubs. It's real nice dark brown It's going to stretch blanket size. I hauled It out In my otter sled so no drag damage. 330 right behind the ears with the trigger on the bottom. Haven't skinned it yet so I'm not sure if there are any leather defects.

But I'm betting It's going to bring hatter prices unless I can find some one who wants a un tanned beaver.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509226
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If its a good one(no dmg) and hvy,in the top 3 size range, no rr or shedder it will bring around$30- $40 at the auction.Your money.

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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509232
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No RR on this one.
So If I send It and I only get $12.00 are you going to kick in the difference?


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509234
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I would say anyone who does any amount of tanning and manufacturing can evaluate a raw skin fairly accurately.


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Not likely beav.After you are done with it it may not be worth much.LOL.
You know what they say-you cant turn a 10 dollar skin into a 40 dollar one but you can turn a 40 dollar skin into a 10 dollar one.LOL.

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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: Boco] #6509270
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Originally Posted by Boco
I would say anyone who does any amount of tanning and manufacturing can evaluate a raw skin fairly accurately.


I understand. Trappers can't.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509305
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If you get in the hatter mind set and handle them that way it's what you'll get. Sold 37 at action. A few large mediums I new would bring good money the rest bigger. Averaged 19. Good pelts still bring decent money.



Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509309
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The flip side to that initial green one. No slippage. [Linked Image]

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Originally Posted by Boco
Not likely beav.After you are done with it it may not be worth much.LOL.
You know what they say-you cant turn a 10 dollar skin into a 40 dollar one but you can turn a 40 dollar skin into a 10 dollar one.LOL.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509493
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Couple guys told me your fur is pretty rough looking-that's why you don't put any pics on here,lol.


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Well Boco I heard you just have a hide of each kind for show and tell. And some one else put them up.LOL

I don't do pictures because i don't know how. And I'm not going to grovel to get the wife to do It.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509545
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Originally Posted by DRobert

I'm new to the forum so take it easy on me. I fell behind on skinning and now she's green. Anything I can do now? Is it salvageable? Worth shipping?[Linked Image]


Beaver are one species that graders can do both sides, the fur and the leather in the grade;
what I see is some kidney molt, so the grader would flip the hide and test the denisity and under fur pull
then go to the bite at the rump and feal for damage especially in the under fur, how much is going to get cut out for a garment?

then they will put it to the type of market much like the ba-ba-bla that went above

as for tainting; go with a spray bottle with a diluted vinegar solution, it does a better job in killing bacteria growth.

Got a thick skin yet. If you can survive Beav and Boco, need I say anymore oh Dirt come to my mind.

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I combed out that beaver yesterday and I saw at least one clip on a hip. But It was still a bit wet so It's hard to tell. I also noticed a slight loss of guard hair along the belly and Is looking a bit wooly.


I'll skin today and take a closer look.


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Re: Literally green beaver [Re: DRobert] #6509822
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Is somebody implying that that beaver could have been a VSL (SLT) or worse before the green belly? confused


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