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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: mad_mike] #6513092
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Originally Posted by mad_mike
I think the Dept. will balk at this due to shifting gears so to speak. If this were to be implemented they would have to issue new licenses both at the start of calendar year and again at the start of regulatory following, correct?



I don't follow your thinking there Mike


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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513124
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I think he means that if the regulatory year starts June 1'st, for example, licenses issued prior to that time would expire on May 31, rather than December 31.
I think that a transition could be seamless, with some consideration, though.


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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513130
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Mike, the logical way to do it would be the year it went into effect issue the license on Jan 1st as usual with the stipulation that it expires on June 30th. The next year would be issued on July 1st and expire on June 30th.
But, i'm sure the bureaucracy could figure out something much more complicated.

Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513137
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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513143
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I suppose the state could set it up so that your license is valid for 365 days from the date of purchase. I'm sure there would be a lot of guys that forget to renew but at least then it would be up to you to have some control on when your license expires.

I can also see room for a lot of abuse in that scheme.


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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: Spek Jones] #6513449
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Originally Posted by Spek Jones
Mike, the logical way to do it would be the year it went into effect issue the license on Jan 1st as usual with the stipulation that it expires on June 30th. The next year would be issued on July 1st and expire on June 30th.
But, i'm sure the bureaucracy could figure out something much more complicated.

So the first license would be good for eighteen months or I would have to purchase two in the same year?
One scenario is logical to me, but the Department won’t go for it.
The other would without a doubt be acceptable to the Department.


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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513530
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Yes, transition license would be good for 18 months. If the money changers couldn't abide that then there is no reason the transition license cost couldn't be prorated by the month. $45 per year would be $3.75 per month, so it would be $67.50 for an 18 month license. (and here we go off down that bunny trail, hold on to your hat).

Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513697
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Give up 1 years dividend for a permanent license or turn 60. smile

Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513743
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The license is only part of it though. There's also that 25 dollar brown bear tag that expires Dec 31. It's only good if you also have a brown bear permit which expires May 31.
You can buy a hunting/trapping/fishing license all on one piece of paper that expires Dec 31 except the trapping license part of it which expires June 30, and the ptarmigan hunting season ends march 30 unless you are on the north bank of the river in which case it ends Jan 31, but spruce hen season ends March 31 on both sides of the river. You can not shoot a marmot under a hunting license but you can shoot a marmot under a trapping license, and meanwhile you can shoot three black bear if you have a harvest ticket of which you will be given a total of 5 but you can only use 3 of them and from Jan 1 to May 31 you have to salvage all the meat but on June 1 you don't have to salvage the meat but regardless you have 30 days to get the hide or meat to the ADFG to have them sealed provided you can beg someone there into actually sealing them for you.
Your hunting license is only good for waterfowl if you also buy a duck stamp which is only good if the duck has 50 inch antlers or at least one..., or no, wait thats moose, I'm getting confused here.......!

Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513744
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Exactly, Spek.


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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6513763
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How are those moose hunting orientation classes?

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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6514035
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Originally Posted by alaska viking
I will see when the next state-wide meetings are. Will probably need joint boards.



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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6514047
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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6514264
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Well, licenses must be purchased before tags can be issued. My thoughts were to fix the licensing part first. Tags are add on’s or so to speak. Or do the tags need to be dealt with first?

Is this a BOG thing or something that needs dealt with at a legislative level?


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Oh look, bright shiny object....


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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: Spek Jones] #6514606
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Originally Posted by Spek Jones
The license is only part of it though. There's also that 25 dollar brown bear tag that expires Dec 31. It's only good if you also have a brown bear permit which expires May 31.
You can buy a hunting/trapping/fishing license all on one piece of paper that expires Dec 31 except the trapping license part of it which expires June 30, and the ptarmigan hunting season ends march 30 unless you are on the north bank of the river in which case it ends Jan 31, but spruce hen season ends March 31 on both sides of the river. You can not shoot a marmot under a hunting license but you can shoot a marmot under a trapping license, and meanwhile you can shoot three black bear if you have a harvest ticket of which you will be given a total of 5 but you can only use 3 of them and from Jan 1 to May 31 you have to salvage all the meat but on June 1 you don't have to salvage the meat but regardless you have 30 days to get the hide or meat to the ADFG to have them sealed provided you can beg someone there into actually sealing them for you.
Your hunting license is only good for waterfowl if you also buy a duck stamp which is only good if the duck has 50 inch antlers or at least one..., or no, wait thats moose, I'm getting confused here.......!



It is getting expensive to hunt anymore. What with having the bring along your attorney on every hunt.....!

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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6515224
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Yes it is Pete. When I'm out in the woods I'm always pretty sure I'm breaking a law, but I don't know for the life of me which one!!!

Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6515457
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Back when I was on the BOG, I had a sticker on my brief case that read: "Simplify Game Regulations." It is something I tried to keep in mind every time we deliberated.

While I understand the need for detailed regulations at times, I would also argue that many times our laws/regulations are unnecessarily complicated. And when the laws/regulations are so complicated that people cannot follow/ understand them, much less comply, it breeds contempt for the whole system.

Many times the bureaucracy sees the regulatory process as a way to make THEIR jobs easier. Not so! It is for the good of the resources and the benefit of the people, and making bureaucrats life easy should not be a priority. And that goes for AST, not just the biologists.

If bureaucrats were more concerned with SOLVING problems and less concerned with making life difficult for the rest of us, the system would hum along more smoothly and ultimately the resources would benefit.

Pete

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Re: Regulatory year? [Re: alaska viking] #6518812
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I'll add my 2 cents here. Nevada just changed how there License system works last year, We were on a Jan 1st to Dec 31st system now its 365 day from date of purchase and must have a current lic to receive a tag during the draw. So for myself my hunting lic is renewed every year in February when I apply for turkey tags and then good till the following year. They also raised the prices $4 or $5 and did away with state issued stamps ( ie like duck or upland bird stamps). I think where Ak draw app is so much earlier then ours the July date would make it easier. Nevada also did the same with fishing license and stamps small increase for all and did away with the endorsements like 2 rods and trout stamps. Our trapping lic is still July 1 to June 30 but it really isn't a big issue as when I buy it or my new Lic it shows on the new one with dates that its good for.

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