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Regulatory year?
#6511635
04/06/19 08:06 PM
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As most here are aware, the various licenses, permits, tags, etc., can be confusing. I am considering a proposal to the BOG to align ALL to be effective on a regulatory year, (July 1- June 30).
It is way too cumbersome to manage the various papers, and most seem to be antiquated.
What say you, Alaskans?
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/06/19 09:00 PM
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How about making the regulatory year January 1 to December 31. I think that would be easiest for everyone.
Maybe I'm missing something, but for anything other than trapping why wouldn't the calendar year be good for everything including seasons, licenses, etc.?
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/06/19 09:21 PM
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Hunting seasons start in the fall and end in the spring. Summer is the break, not winter. There is logic to this. The hunting license not carrying over after December is problematic when seasons and permits carryover.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/06/19 10:09 PM
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I want in-put from all angles. I don't think, personally, that it matters if it is January1, or July 1. I would like to see one drop-dead day.
The penalties for "forgetting" to report this permit, or that is serious, and puts an otherwise compliant person in jeapordy of law enforcement showing up. I have to carry 5 black bear tags in an area that is limited to 2, 6 deer tags where we are allowed 4, last years trapping license, various crab permits, now shrimp permits, bear locking tags that are calander year, but permit is regulatory year, etc., ad-nauseum.
Last edited by alaska viking; 04/06/19 10:10 PM.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: white17]
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04/07/19 01:04 AM
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I think the regulatory year is the way to go.
I recall several years back...one New Year's day I was checking traps with the dog team. I came upon a solitary caribou bull. I shot him.
While gutting him I realized that while my trapping license was valid, that same license that allowed hunting had expired the day before. Of course I had no way to get a new license either. So I think the regulatory year would eliminate issues like that I'm pretty sure you shot that caribou on the 31st of December. Glad I could help you with the paperwork. You're welcome! 
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/07/19 02:53 AM
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I'm not from Alaska but we had that in Mississippi for most of my life until a few years ago. Going away from it was the worst thing they ever did. Ours went from the 1st of June to the end of may. All our licenses started and stopped at the same time. It made it so simple and easy to remember without a bunch to keep up with. I guess someone complained cause they didn't feel like they were getting a full year if they purchased after June first. I really don't see the difference because none of the seasons changed so you don't really gain anything by changing it to the new system that we have now. The only thing that changed was making it more confusing. You folks would be better with the system you are proposing. Just my 2 cents
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/07/19 03:30 AM
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AV I like the idea can’t recal how many times over the years I haven’t been able get a license in town prior to internet licenses or realized it was Jan and no I couldn’t shoot those patarmigain or a caribou because I had neglected to get new license a few times in yrs past like White I was in a cabin and I would have had to fly to town to get. license this was pre internet days. I would support it
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: Dirt]
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04/07/19 11:50 AM
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I think the regulatory year is the way to go.
I recall several years back...one New Year's day I was checking traps with the dog team. I came upon a solitary caribou bull. I shot him.
While gutting him I realized that while my trapping license was valid, that same license that allowed hunting had expired the day before. Of course I had no way to get a new license either. So I think the regulatory year would eliminate issues like that I'm pretty sure you shot that caribou on the 31st of December. Glad I could help you with the paperwork. You're welcome! You're no doubt correct. You know how easy it is to forget which day it is living in the bush !
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/07/19 01:14 PM
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I will see when the next state-wide meetings are. Will probably need joint boards.
Last edited by alaska viking; 04/07/19 01:14 PM.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/07/19 07:45 PM
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Looks like we have plenty of time. Next state-wide is 2021.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/08/19 02:47 PM
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I think he means that if the regulatory year starts June 1'st, for example, licenses issued prior to that time would expire on May 31, rather than December 31.
I think that a transition could be seamless, with some consideration, though.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/08/19 03:09 PM
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 undoubtedly.
Last edited by alaska viking; 04/08/19 03:09 PM.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: Spek Jones]
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04/08/19 10:50 PM
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Mike, the logical way to do it would be the year it went into effect issue the license on Jan 1st as usual with the stipulation that it expires on June 30th. The next year would be issued on July 1st and expire on June 30th.
But, i'm sure the bureaucracy could figure out something much more complicated. So the first license would be good for eighteen months or I would have to purchase two in the same year? One scenario is logical to me, but the Department won’t go for it. The other would without a doubt be acceptable to the Department.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/09/19 10:25 AM
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Oh Snap
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Oh Snap
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Give up 1 years dividend for a permanent license or turn 60.
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/09/19 11:33 AM
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The license is only part of it though. There's also that 25 dollar brown bear tag that expires Dec 31. It's only good if you also have a brown bear permit which expires May 31.
You can buy a hunting/trapping/fishing license all on one piece of paper that expires Dec 31 except the trapping license part of it which expires June 30, and the ptarmigan hunting season ends march 30 unless you are on the north bank of the river in which case it ends Jan 31, but spruce hen season ends March 31 on both sides of the river. You can not shoot a marmot under a hunting license but you can shoot a marmot under a trapping license, and meanwhile you can shoot three black bear if you have a harvest ticket of which you will be given a total of 5 but you can only use 3 of them and from Jan 1 to May 31 you have to salvage all the meat but on June 1 you don't have to salvage the meat but regardless you have 30 days to get the hide or meat to the ADFG to have them sealed provided you can beg someone there into actually sealing them for you.
Your hunting license is only good for waterfowl if you also buy a duck stamp which is only good if the duck has 50 inch antlers or at least one..., or no, wait thats moose, I'm getting confused here.......!
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/09/19 12:28 PM
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How are those moose hunting orientation classes?
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/09/19 06:53 PM
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I will see when the next state-wide meetings are. Will probably need joint boards. Joints.... now thats something i can support...
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/09/19 07:11 PM
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Hoopy, have you been led astray? Fish will be running, soon. Hang in there!
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: Spek Jones]
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04/10/19 10:49 AM
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The license is only part of it though. There's also that 25 dollar brown bear tag that expires Dec 31. It's only good if you also have a brown bear permit which expires May 31.
You can buy a hunting/trapping/fishing license all on one piece of paper that expires Dec 31 except the trapping license part of it which expires June 30, and the ptarmigan hunting season ends march 30 unless you are on the north bank of the river in which case it ends Jan 31, but spruce hen season ends March 31 on both sides of the river. You can not shoot a marmot under a hunting license but you can shoot a marmot under a trapping license, and meanwhile you can shoot three black bear if you have a harvest ticket of which you will be given a total of 5 but you can only use 3 of them and from Jan 1 to May 31 you have to salvage all the meat but on June 1 you don't have to salvage the meat but regardless you have 30 days to get the hide or meat to the ADFG to have them sealed provided you can beg someone there into actually sealing them for you.
Your hunting license is only good for waterfowl if you also buy a duck stamp which is only good if the duck has 50 inch antlers or at least one..., or no, wait thats moose, I'm getting confused here.......!
It is getting expensive to hunt anymore. What with having the bring along your attorney on every hunt.....! Pete
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Re: Regulatory year?
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/11/19 10:43 AM
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Pete in Frbks
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Back when I was on the BOG, I had a sticker on my brief case that read: "Simplify Game Regulations." It is something I tried to keep in mind every time we deliberated.
While I understand the need for detailed regulations at times, I would also argue that many times our laws/regulations are unnecessarily complicated. And when the laws/regulations are so complicated that people cannot follow/ understand them, much less comply, it breeds contempt for the whole system.
Many times the bureaucracy sees the regulatory process as a way to make THEIR jobs easier. Not so! It is for the good of the resources and the benefit of the people, and making bureaucrats life easy should not be a priority. And that goes for AST, not just the biologists.
If bureaucrats were more concerned with SOLVING problems and less concerned with making life difficult for the rest of us, the system would hum along more smoothly and ultimately the resources would benefit.
Pete
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