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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512317
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I just did a little investigating and discovered this guys agenda.He wants to create an ongoing job for himself.
This Mclelland guy is an assistant bio,and states that he needs to do more extensive collaring of both fisher and lynx to support his "theory",lol.


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512327
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A lot of gouverment is about justifying employment.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512331
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Looks like they sneak up on them when they are bedded down and latch onto the neck. Not a straight up fight face to face so no advantage to the lynx for size. Then they dismember them and hide the pieces that's why so much damage in a short time.

"Lucky for the researchers, many of these attacks happened during the dead of winter and evidence could be seen in the snow."


"Based on the appearance of the tracks, an attack by a fisher on a lynx would often happen in the middle of a quick snowstorm, which may have worked to the advantage of these vicious little predators. A fisher would attack, often when the cat was bedded down to wait out the snow flurry, going right for the lynx’s neck.

“They just buckle on. They have a pretty powerful grip and they know where to attack,” McLellan says, adding that the fishers would finish the cats off pretty quickly. “There was some struggle certainly, but it didn’t appear to last very long. There were some broken branches, tufts of fur, and claw marks where the lynx was trying to get away.”

Once the lynx were dead, the fun had just begun for the gruesome fishers. The weasels would begin to dismember the fresh lynx carcass and hide pieces in various places, likely since it couldn’t eat the whole 20-to-30-pound body in a single sitting."

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Boco] #6512342
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Originally Posted by Boco
No,cannibalism is a well known behavior in lynx and well recorded.All trappers know this also.
No trappers have ever reported fisher killing lynx that I am aware of.
Has a fisher ever killed a lynx?Yes most likely.


I like you and respect your knowledge and experience Boco. But I can't help myself, so I'll rephrase my question.

Is it possible that you DON'T know more about northern Maine's lynx population than the trappers who live and trap here, and the biologists who have spent a good part of their careers studying it extensively?

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512358
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Originally Posted by Line Jumper
Very interesting study results, I am surprised with the fisher preying on Lynx, in northern Wi, I have been blaming the abundance of bobcats on our dwindling fisher population. Because of competition for food not killing each other.




Kill more bobcats.


Its a slow process with one tag every 10 years, no wait they increased the amount of tags, 6-8 years if your lucky.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Jeremiah Wood] #6512379
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Originally Posted by jwood
Originally Posted by Boco
If he doesn't know that the main predator of lynx is other lynx then he is "uneducated" or has an agenda.


Is it possible that the main predator of lynx in northern Maine is NOT other lynx?


Why would Maine be different ?


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Boco] #6512383
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Originally Posted by Boco
I just did a little investigating and discovered this guys agenda.He wants to create an ongoing job for himself.
This Mclelland guy is an assistant bio,and states that he needs to do more extensive collaring of both fisher and lynx to support his "theory",lol.

Every study has an employment protection factor involved in it.


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512385
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The bio is full of it.If they always attack in a snowstorm how can he read the tracks-BS big time.
Grab a lynx by the neck and see what he does with his razors.


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Boco] #6512412
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Originally Posted by Boco
The bio is full of it.If they always attack in a snowstorm how can he read the tracks-BS big time.
Grab a lynx by the neck and see what he does with his razors.


You answered my question Boco, thanks.

EB, better take down the study. It's obviously fake news written by a bunch of hacks trying to justify future employment smile

I feel like we're trying to reason with anti's!!! We're all such legends that there's no possibility that we don't fully understand what's going on in these populations?

If i get time tonight I'm going to post an article by Walter Arnold from back in the 'do bobcats kill deer' debates. The parallels are incredible.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Boco] #6512434
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Originally Posted by Boco
The bio is full of it.If they always attack in a snowstorm how can he read the tracks-BS big time.
Grab a lynx by the neck and see what he does with his razors.


Oh heck! Hold my Beer and watch this!


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: joepennanti] #6512457
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Fishers are clearly killing lynx my arse.


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512461
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Fisher are killing lynx (in northern Maine) AND the Earth isn't flat. Can you imagine that?? shocked

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512462
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If you guys in Maine ever want to trap Fisher again like you used to you need to get behind this study like it's gospel. That's what the politicians do any study that supports what that what they want becomes the gospel the talking point, the ultimate truth .you MUST Reduce the fisher population IMMEDIATELY to protect the lynx.

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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512463
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Here in MN they are studying bobcat mortality on female fisher. There is pretty good evidence that it is somewhat prevalent.


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512466
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Lynx killing fisher has been noted here also by trappers,Not common at all either,opportunity killing while laying for rabbit. Lynx ambush prey often and also family groups co-operatively hunt. Flush/drive and ambush.

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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Bigfoot] #6512481
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
If you guys in Maine ever want to trap Fisher again like you used to you need to get behind this study like it's gospel. That's what the politicians do any study that supports what that what they want becomes the gospel the talking point, the ultimate truth .you MUST Reduce the fisher population IMMEDIATELY to protect the lynx.


Maine trappers have been citing the fact that fisher kill lynx for years now, and the argument hasn't gotten much traction. If you go by the Feds' standard of 'no take' of a listed species under the ESA, then yes, we need to be killing more fishers to protect lynx. But in reality, I think the 'take' argument is a joke. The science shows that lynx population abundance is controlled by habitat (and corresponding abundance of snowshoe hares). The real scientific and ethical argument is that lynx should not be considered threatened in Maine under the ESA. Once delisted, there is potential to get back to traditional trapping methods that allow trappers to effectively harvest fisher. And the added benefit that would provide to the lynx population would be a bonus.

The changing forest in northern Maine and impacts to lynx, fisher and marten populations is a fascinating topic, which I think we will all begin to understand more about in the coming years. I certainly have a lot to say about it, right or wrong.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Steven 49er] #6512485
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Here in MN they are studying bobcat mortality on female fisher. There is pretty good evidence that it is somewhat prevalent.


I am thinking that the biologists in ME have come a little late to the study. And that their study fits an agenda.


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512490
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" We collected forensic evidence and samples from the carcasses and predation sites, conducted full necropsies when possible, and used molecular methods to determine species of predators responsible for killing fishers. We recovered 101 (59 female, 42 male) fisher carcasses; for 62 (61%) carcasses, we attributed cause of death to interspecific killing. We found that bobcats (Lynx rufus, ;25 fisher mortalities), mountain lions (Puma concolor, ;20), and coyotes (Canis latrans, 4) were predators of fishers in our study areas. Bobcats killed only female fishers, whereas mountain lions more frequently killed male than female fishers, confirming our hypothesis that female fishers would suffer lethal attacks by smaller predators than would male fishers. Coyotes rarely killed fishers."

source: https://wildlife.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jwmg.698

I thought some might find this interesting.

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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: trapper les] #6512495
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Here in MN they are studying bobcat mortality on female fisher. There is pretty good evidence that it is somewhat prevalent.


I am thinking that the biologists in ME have come a little late to the study. And that their study fits an agenda.


So you are saying that biologists in Maine have an agenda to allow us to harvest more fisher? Pro trapper? Not saying I have an opinion, but I think most Maine trappers would argue with you on that.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512512
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I think the agenda is clearly self serving for the assistant bio.He wants some job security as in a 25 or 30 year ongoing fisher/lynx study that will bring him to pension age.
Only problem is that his theory is so lame in regards to established scientific as well as traditional knowledge,(which carries the same weight today in many circles),it wont go anywhere.

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