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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: white17] #6512946
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Originally Posted by white17

I'll bet most Alaska trappers have pretty much the same experience with lynx as I do. Most of them never move or make a sound. They just sit there and wait for the lights to go out. Very docile. I know of one instance where a cat shredded the coat and pants of a TMAN member.

I think it's entirely possible that fisher are taking the occasional lynx . When you consider that an ermine will attack a critter many times his size, why wouldn't another member of the weasel family do the same ?

But as I said above, when you can show 12 instances in 12 years it isn't a very strong case for saying that this is a regular occurrence


There is some confusion here by the national geographic article that someone posted. My information is from the report posted in the Journal of Wildlife Management. I think the snow storm info is only found in the Nat. Geo article. I find it interesting that more than 75% of the collared lynx died during the study and 20 % of those were killed by fisher. The study area was in about 3% of the area known as The North Maine Woods. It is entirely possible the fisher are killing dozens of lynx in Maine each year. Legal trapping has killed two in the past few years & under the terms of the "incidental take permit" if a third lynx is killed by legal means trapping in Maine will be stopped. Bottom line: trappers kill two and fisher kill more so the government makes all trapping more difficult with special regulations. They also make special regulations for marten/fisher trapping that make it very difficult to trap said animals.

From the journal:

"we captured 187 lynx (83 females, 104 males) and equipped
85 with radio-collars (41 females, 44 males) between 1999
and 2011. The mean weight of adult male and female lynx
was 11.3 kg (range¼8.2–15.0 kg, n¼101) and 9.0 kg
(range¼7.0–10.5 kg, n¼58), respectively. We documented
the mortality of 65 lynx including 61 collared lynx, 1
unmarked kitten of a collared female, and 3 ear-tagged lynx.
We determined that 18 lynx were killed by predators, 17 died
of starvation, 17 from undetermined causes, 12 from human
factors (e.g., vehicle collisions), and 1 from hyperthyroidism
(Table 3). We determined that fishers had killed 14 lynx (9
females, 5 males) and likely killed 2 additional lynx (2
females). We could not determine the species of predator for
the remaining 2 lynx (1 female, 1 male; Table 4).
Thirteen of the 14 lynx killed by fishers were adults with
established home ranges, and weights and bone marrow
indicated that these lynx were healthy or in fair condition"

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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512966
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Interesting thread ...


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512967
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I also find the study funny. Reminds me of a recent facebook post of someone who found a fisher near barrie. Posted it on a facebook news site and the public lost their minds. Nothing a fisher wont kill! It will tear your kids face off! Kill it!!! Kill it!!

Have found several tangled in snares. Grab them by the scruff, untangle and away they run. Do wear gloves, as they get a mite scratchy, but they are no voracious indiscriminate killing machines. Bad news if you are a prey species, but man I would put money on the lynx coming out on top when it comes to a fight.

Or maybe our ontario lynx are ten feet tall and bulletproof

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512971
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Wow and they are so easy to release from a trap, just like bobcats. Now otter that is a different story = they are just mean and nasty.......jk


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6512978
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This all could be related to densities. Very few cats. Lots of fishers. The odd fisher killing the only cat and they are an important source of predation.

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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6513019
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Over all what difference does it make?

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Fisher Man] #6513022
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Originally Posted by Fisherman
Over all what difference does it make?


Not much. When you look at the incidental trapping take on lynx compared to all the other mortality factors it makes the exercise almost pointless.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: Fisher Man] #6513032
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Originally Posted by Fisherman
Over all what difference does it make?


It makes a big difference to us that trap there. We have to trap with very restrictive regulations because of the presence of lynx. We are allowed to kill three in ten years while fishers are probably killing more then that each year. So they make more restrictive laws for the trapping of fishers to protect the lynx. If you can't see what difference it make you must be a federal government employee. I'm not saying that in a bad way, but only the feds would think that killing fewer fishers is protecting the lynx.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6513033
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I would say, open up the fisher season wide open in ME and excuse incidental killed by man, lynx. If that's possible.


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Originally Posted by jk
Wow and they are so easy to release from a trap, just like bobcats. Now otter that is a different story = they are just mean and nasty.......jk


JK about 10% of the fishers I've trapped are almost impossible to get out of a foothold with out using the 22 method.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6513089
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Originally Posted by jk
Wow and they are so easy to release from a trap, just like bobcats. Now otter that is a different story = they are just mean and nasty.......jk


JK about 10% of the fishers I've trapped are almost impossible to get out of a foothold with out using the 22 method.



I think JK is talking about lynx being easy to release. Not fisher


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: trapper les] #6513091
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Originally Posted by trapper les
I would say, open up the fisher season wide open in ME and excuse incidental killed by man, lynx. If that's possible.


No can do. Maine has an incidental take permit that allows three to be killed in a ten year period. Two were killed in the first month of the permit & they closed all bodygrip trapping (on land or trees) for the remainder of that season.. One more by legal trapping methods and Maine will be closed to trapping.

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Originally Posted by white17



I think JK is talking about lynx being easy to release. Not fisher


You are probably correct.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6513104
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Originally Posted by trapper les
I would say, open up the fisher season wide open in ME and excuse incidental killed by man, lynx. If that's possible.


No can do. Maine has an incidental take permit that allows three to be killed in a ten year period. Two were killed in the first month of the permit & they closed all bodygrip trapping (on land or trees) for the remainder of that season.. One more by legal trapping methods and Maine will be closed to trapping.



Sounds like another good reason to do away with body grips


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No snaring allowed either I presume?


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Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6513109
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It seems like a bad dynamic to occur...lynx numbers increase, incidental take increases. Trapping is outlawed.

It's a good thing you have them fisher around there to keep the population down.

I see sort of a catch 22 situation though.

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Originally Posted by Boco
No snaring allowed either I presume?


Correct, after all a lynx might see a snare and that would upset it.

Re: Do fisher kill lynx? [Re: ebsurveyor] #6513243
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There is a vid on You Tube of a Fisher trying to kill a Grey Fox if it wasent for the camera man I think he would of done it.

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Do fisher kill lynx? No no no fisher catch fish. Trapper kill lynx. Geez! Come on guys. (Better put the LOL)


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No I'm not a Fed employee. The real problem is Fed restrictions on lynx, even in a place like Maine where they are spilling over from Canada and are not endangered. I feel very bad for Maine trappers that have been cheated out of traditional methods of harvesting fisher. I've seen those 90 degree alternatives that are a joke.. But I still ask the initial question; what difference does it make if fisher kill lynx? Perhaps Maine should have a trapping season for lynx, which can't happen because of the dumb fed restriction.

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