Re: Wolves and sheep
[Re: Bob_Iowa]
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04/09/19 11:47 PM
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Until wolves are removed from the "endangered" list nothing is going to be done to stop them in the lower 48. The current regs are no on can touch them. You must contact a game warden who contacts a federal officer to come investigate. As others have stated wolves have an immense range. They will move 20 to 50 miles a day. They are not hunting though, but patrolling their territory. I contacted a national GOP leader in the Senate about this, and his response was about the red wolf in Arizona. The people in Congress have zero idea about any of this and the courts control the protection of these predators. The Dakotas have been experiencing an interesting phenomena, the past few years in an influx of coyotes, which are being pushed out of Colorado and Minnesota, by the increased number of wolves. This is a disaster as in my area, we have wolves moving through. I came across one a few years ago, and there was zero fear and no bluff in that animal. It was a big black and it just glared at me, as it kept moving toward a neighbor's winter pasture with cattle.
It was a costly problem to remove wolves from most of the United States. It took the best trappers this nation produced to take the last ones out, as poison would not work and they had seen all the ideas of trappers. It has been a disservice of the trapping and hunting groups who have not demanded an enforcement that all wolves not in Yellowstone or the Arrowhead have open season on them. Waiting around for a federal officer to try and get an animal 200 miles away is not going to solve this problem as wolf predation is costly to ranchers and dangerous to pets.
Wolves should never have been reintroduced, no more than mountain lions, which we have here out of South Dakota. For a historical perspective of this in John Borroughs, the father of Yosemite and Teddy Roosevelt, the father of Yellowstone, both advocated the removal of all large predators in the lower 48 in favor of what they defined as good animals which benefited outdoors people.
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Re: Wolves and sheep
[Re: Bob_Iowa]
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The Kangal has the world's strongest bite force of any canine breed or species. The average wolf has a bite force of 400psi. The average Kangal has a bite force of 743psi. https://petcomments.com/ten-dogs-which-have-the-strongest-bite/Many people rate the Kangal as the world's strongest all around dog. There are of videos of Kangal killing wolves, boar and bears and videos of Kangal attacking and driving off African lions, grizzly bears, brown bears, leopards, tigers and cheetahs. There are videos of Kangals killing multiple pitbulls like a terrier killing rats. Some of the larger Kangals have 70 to 80 pounds more mass than the largest dire wolves ever did. Kangals are not very aggressive though. They are very protective of animals and people in their charge. I have 1 pure Kangal and 2 half Kangals. Keith
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Re: Wolves and sheep
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04/10/19 01:28 AM
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Talked to a rancher in wy, they were loading sheep into semi , in the bighorns. He said the year before when they brought their sheep to the mountain pastures a wolf killed 24 the first night, and it didn't return to eat more, or kill more Same area the rancher I trapped for lost sheep to a wolf, the control guy caught a big female wolf there Wolf was just working his way thru the flock trying to find the sick old one he was SUPPOSE to kill. Poor wolf got worn out, didn't wanna come back. Osky This guy has it figured out. LMAO
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Re: Wolves and sheep
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"The Dakotas have been experiencing an interesting phenomena, the past few years in an influx of coyotes, which are being pushed out of Colorado and Minnesota, by the increased number of wolves."
I would like to see some background information on the influx of coyotes from Colorado to the Dakotas. While there are wolves in Colorado, I do not think that the population is high enough to push coyotes out of that state. Also, if there are coyotes leaving Colorado I have to wonder why these coyotes think that the Dakotas are worth traveling across Wyoming or Nebraska to get to. I am not sure where you heard that, but it is the first I ever heard it. I am not saying a coyote could not travel that far, but I sure don't think there is a mass migration going on. Minnesota is across the river so even mice make the trip at times.
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Re: Wolves and sheep
[Re: ttzt]
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04/10/19 08:39 PM
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"The Dakotas have been experiencing an interesting phenomena, the past few years in an influx of coyotes, which are being pushed out of Colorado and Minnesota, by the increased number of wolves."
I would like to see some background information on the influx of coyotes from Colorado to the Dakotas. While there are wolves in Colorado, I do not think that the population is high enough to push coyotes out of that state. Also, if there are coyotes leaving Colorado I have to wonder why these coyotes think that the Dakotas are worth traveling across Wyoming or Nebraska to get to. " I read it on the internet" I
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Re: Wolves and sheep
[Re: Jackdale]
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They had kangals on a sheep place here. They acted tough around people and other dogs but griz and wolves still got sheep. Guard dogs are a good tool to help but they don't stop everything let alone kill any predators. I think lgd's play on people's imaginations more than anything. Agreed,,,
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Re: Wolves and sheep
[Re: Jackdale]
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They had kangals on a sheep place here. They acted tough around people and other dogs but griz and wolves still got sheep. Guard dogs are a good tool to help but they don't stop everything let alone kill any predators. I think lgd's play on people's imaginations more than anything. X3
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Re: Wolves and sheep
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04/10/19 10:21 PM
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They had kangals on a sheep place here. They acted tough around people and other dogs but griz and wolves still got sheep. Guard dogs are a good tool to help but they don't stop everything let alone kill any predators. I think lgd's play on people's imaginations more than anything. X3 Well that is 3 to 1. Guard dogs don't stop everything but they do kill predators. They kill wild pigs, especially the young, and coyotes from pups to grown ones. Common practice here for large ranches to run a male and a female in the same pasture. Main breeds used are Pyrenese, Anatollian, and Akbash or even crosses. It is not imagination when kid goat losses drop from 300 per season to 40 after the introduction of lgd's. That's a net gain of about $52,000 per season. Often that can be the difference of staying in business. Using dogs requires some time and effort(work). One cannot just go out and buy some dogs and turn them loose and expect it to work like many people do. The biggest problem with the dogs here is them getting into porcupines and rattlesnakes. People can say and believe what they want about the dogs but they do work. A net of approximately $156,000 in two years is enough proof for me.
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Re: Wolves and sheep
[Re: bucksnbears]
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"The Dakotas have been experiencing an interesting phenomena, the past few years in an influx of coyotes, which are being pushed out of Colorado and Minnesota, by the increased number of wolves."
I would like to see some background information on the influx of coyotes from Colorado to the Dakotas. While there are wolves in Colorado, I do not think that the population is high enough to push coyotes out of that state. Also, if there are coyotes leaving Colorado I have to wonder why these coyotes think that the Dakotas are worth traveling across Wyoming or Nebraska to get to. " I read it on the internet" I Well heck, if I had know that was where the information came from I would not have even questioned it!
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Re: Wolves and sheep
[Re: Bob_Iowa]
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04/11/19 01:36 PM
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Wolves can and do cover a lot of ground in a short time. I followed a fresh wolftrack on the railroad one winter,and that lone wolf travelled the tracks over 70 miles overnight.Straight line never left the right of way once.
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