https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nra-...rns-in-fundraising-letter-194322998.html

I contacted my regional and state NRA rep a couple weeks ago about this but didn't hear anything back.

AJE
NRA Life Member

The NRA always needs money but this sounds like BS to me. Who trusts Yahoo news??? I get mail from the NRA every week but nothing of the sort described in the linked article.

I'm wondering if it's fake news Ed.

NRA contact's you asking for more money not the other way around. After a year of non stop pestering I never rejoined again.

Sounds like a liberal's wet dream. I haven't heard anything about this before your post and I'm guessing I would have if it was real.

couldn't the same be said for FHA and NTA?

If I could send them Cash right now, I'd level up!

Sounds like fake news!

I remember this from last year.
NRA financial troubles and lawsuit

X 2

All you had to do Jackie is call them and ask to stop...as LD and Lug mentioned.

Yep. Also called them and they stopped the telemarketing calls.

Can someone else call them and ask them if this article is true? Scott T and Chad F didn't get back to me.

You took your toys and went home ?

Hmmm. I've been a member for 33 years. I didn't know we get life and gun insurance, or that there are formal 'recruiters' like yourself. Interesting.

I just looked, and I see that I am joined till 2027. I join 5 years at a crack.

Honestly Law Dog I would rather every $ I gave to the NRA go to real gun rights lobbying than all the other stuff. Including paying for a hunting resort for the NRA elite. From my humble perspective as the NRA has gotten larger I see less and less of my $ going to real world lobbying and more to feeding the beast that its became.

A lot of people seem upset with Wayne's massive salary.

I don't know of NRA having an elitist resort

The Whittington Center has been around AT LEAST 40 years.

I bought a life membership and made payments when Clinton got elected the first time. I thought Clinton getting elected was the end of the world for gun owners. Was I wrong, had never heard of Obama!
I admit that the NRA isn't perfect, but what is? I would hate to think where gun ownership in the USA would be without them. Just look at Australia, Europe and many other places around the world.
Gun owners need the NRA just like trappers need the NTA and state organizations to protect our interest.
The "taking your toys and going home" comment is spot on. If you don't carry your share of the load whether its gun or trapping rights somebody else is going to have to carry more.
So man up and help protect these things for yourself and future generations.

X2 larry everybody wants someone to hoot and holler for them except when it cost them a buck

It would be great if all NRA members would man up and also join the GOA. We would as gun owners be a lot better off if the NRA stuck to what there supposed to be doing, marksmanship, helping kids etc. We need to keep the NRA out of the courtrooms and let the GOA handle that. I suspect that is the reason why the NRA's membership #'s may be falling off, they really compromise to easily. I'm not being facetious, going by the facts.

There was a recent election for Supreme Court in WI. One candidate was anti-gun, the other was pro-gun rights. The NRA was very active in that race with mailings, phone calls, fund raisers etc., all of which takes money. Without their input I doubt that rural voters would have succeeded in offsetting the liberal Madison/Milwaukee establishment like they did. I , for one, am grateful for their efforts.

I expect people and organizations to keep their word. If they dont I’m done with them

That is a ridiculous statement. Look up the list of NRA financially-backed court cases decided in favor of 2A rights. Two of the most recent are the overturning of California's ten-round magazine ban and the Deerfield Illinois Assault Weapons and High Capacity Magazine Ban that was thrown out of court.

There are dozens, probably hundreds of other examples. Without the NRA in the court rooms, we as gun owners would be in a much worse place.

Those are the real facts!

Must be nice living in a perfect world. Just you and God up there on the mountain surrounded by a sea of sinners eh?

Lawdog if you like insta check, tax to own suppresers, not being able to mail a shotgun to your nephew then by all means support that stuff.

I dont like liberal politics and i will not support any bodies version of reasonable gun control. Not Hillary’s or the NRA’s

danny, I didn't start this thread to hear you and another groan and moan off tangent. Quit with the irrational NRA bashing or please start your own thread.

Why dont you post a list of federal firearms laws that the nra opposed

Life member here. Not sorry having spent the money.

Only sorry about the "FREE RIDERS"!

I'll post one the NRA fought for everyone you fought. Put up or shut up.

I have opposed every legal way i could every federal gun law passed since i became an adult. I am unaware of a single federal gun law on the books today that the nra opposed

Some of their assault rifle adds recently have been "in your face" to the opposition. Wish they wouldn't show people in full military garb, who are not military. Seems radical.

I would really support a smarter NRA. They have walked away from hunters in favor of assault weapons. They are not member driven but sponsor driven. All print media is in trouble.

As we speak, the NRA is fighting Debby Dingles bill. Just b because you don't hear about what all they are SUCCESSFULL in stopping at the federal level doesn't mean they arnt fighting them. Educate yourself some and you won't look so much lo k e a whiner.

This^^^

And the "Lets bash and Devide" because division is Supposed to be the Enemy's tactic not Gun Owners!!!

So let's get this straight if you dont support the NRA your a whiner, a freeloader and I believe Law Dog through something about parasites out there but his posts all vanished. Kind of sounds like the lefts tactics to me. Try to belittle those that dont see things the same way you do...

Yes!

I won't belittle anyone but will point out where they are absolutely wrong. And when they do keep on whining about something they they are ignorant about, yes I will tell them they are whining and to know what they are talking about.

Who in their right mind, can say the pro- gun orgs have done more harm than good? Who in their right mind doesn't think republicans are our best chance at keeping guns?
Give me just on viable person who stands a chance at getting elected that's better than a republican.

There's not being a supporter, and then there's whining about it.

Gave an example it was not welcomed it looked like so I'm out!

Your posts were very welcomed Law Dog.

I hate it when anti's intimidate good folks into being afraid to proudly stand up for the NRA.

Fast condensed version of this thread is: Democrats want your guns, traps and to ban the sale of fur. Republicans support the 2nd amendment, hunters, trappers the freedom to choose to buy or wear fur. AND............... the fence riders are confused freeloaders. (That's a period)

The NRA is kinda pro-gun but they are not and have not been pro 2nd. They never started out that way and when you look at there record since even before NFA, they have either sided with the Gov or went as far to write legislation with Federal gun laws. That is a fact, and this is subject matter that can apparently be seen in different lights. Why the hostility hippie lol.

Exactly hippie. There is a huge difference in not wanting to support one of the strongest gun rights groups in the planet and coming on every single thread that comes up about the NRA and bashing them.

If you don't want to support them so be it. But why do a few folks here feel the need to tear them down at every single opportunity? Why disparage members who do support the NRA? Why not just keep your mouth shut and quit trying to convince others not to join?

And why do the moderators continually let those 2 or 3 folks shoot their mouth in a way that makes some average guys run away from tMan

Let's have a open discussion about the NRA among trappers without putting anyone down. How about that?

Exactly. But that's not possible with danny and his co-horts.

Few will pay the bills but many will want to have say in that program that will never pay up but will enjoy the benefits of that program while not having a better plan or action.

Parasite is a critter that lives off others and takes without giving back, just the way it is and the way I see it!

Post was a question, reasons were given to answer the question (wether you agree or not), panties get in a wad and name calling begins. What is the NRA's stance on red flag laws?
The NRA is not a good offense, barely a defense loosing yardage all the time. Is the NRA in trouble, yep, but it is there own fault. The only reasonable gun control is a 3" group at 100 yds.

Not orgs just org. The NRA specifically. They wrote the NFA and their lawyers defended it in court. The NFA is the gun control act all others based on. That is 100% a fact. Truth. Not wrong.

I dont support gun control now, I never have, and I never will

You say differing opinions don't have a plan of action, yet the GOA was put out there and instead you decide to disparage and name call?

Never said a bad thing about the GOA never have no reason to do that!

I know people who shed blood for this country when they were called that wouldn't join the NRA and I can name two NRA members in my community who wouldn't fight when called. So dont be so holy.

DO you belong to the GOA then if so great then maybe if you join the NRA and see what you can do to improve any part of it then that's even better. If not for the GOA might never came about had we lost it all in the past years!

You don't see me bashing the GOA with the way they are doing things just pointing out the facts.

Exactly what the anti-gunners want. Argue amongst our own and bash the NRA. The antis reading this are smililing ear to ear.

Let me be more specific. This will not sit well with some. The last magazine had a full page add of men dressed in military assault gear holding an AR type rifle. It was not our military, nor anyone's military. If the message the ad was sending was about the qualities of the rifle, it would be better. That was not the message I got. The rifle manufacturer sponsor chose to marry his product with a paramilitary theme.

It is a free country and we have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and our beloved 2nd Amendment. I strongly support and will defend all three. I just think the NRA should not pour gasoline on its own fires. No disrespect to the NRA or any member here. Just trying to think logically about how we can de-escalate the perceived Rambo image our opposition has of our NRA. We shouldn't march into this battle with blinders on. This ad was playing directly to the strengths of the opposition and I think the NRA should have asked the ad agency for a different photo.

I have a marketing and advertising background, so maybe I see it differently.

It’s sad it has to be that way Grandpa Trapper. But thankfully it is only a handful that can’t keep their mouths shut.

You have a bad case of the pot callin the kettle black Lug. Go back through the thread and see who started being a basher as you all call it. The first one I seen being a smart aleck was you, just sayin.....

What I was saying you can't say any organization has let you down if your not supporting them to begin with if a guy belong to the NRA or GOA it's not the problem it the ones that don't support anything not even the local gun club that think it should be this way or that way join and have a voice but until then your part of the problem!

You can't win the pot if you don't ante up!

You never heard me bash the NRA or any other gun rights group and you never will.

Even if I was narrow-minded enough to focus on a small amount of negatives and ignore the huge amount of good a pro-2A group did I would never even think abouit bad-mouthing them on an open forum. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face!

If you don't like the NRA and what they stand for fine, it's a free Country. But as a gun-owner, why would anyone feel the need to openly tear them down repeating the same tired old crap over and over again? And it's not an isolated incident. Every single NRA thread here on Tman gets turned into a bashing by a few bitter, vocal folks.

We have more than enough liberals to do that, don't need gun owners cutting our own throats.

I wasn't talking about you bashing the NRA, you are the one who started being a smart aleck. And I was trying to have a conversation, show me where I bashed!

Is this the same catch that does the same thing every week something you want to talk about going on?

I wasn't being a smart Alec. You were the one that said:



I do consider that bashing. I also consider it a ridiculous statement given the excellent track record the NRA has had in having anti-gun cases overturned. That is why I said:

Those of you upset that I point out the NRA supports and defends gun control need to quit pretending they don't. It's the only reason I feel compelled to point it out.

Plenty of people like red flag laws, bump stock bans and background checks. They are fine with the idea that militia should have a difficult and expensive time procuring military grade weapons. Those folks will be happy to send money. You need to quit trying to recruit people with the mantra that NRA is against gun control laws.

I'm still waiting for the list of federal gun laws on the books not supported by the NRA

Lol, bashing. I went out of my way to explain that I wasn't being facetious and that wasn't good enough for you I guess. Your the one who, instead of saying I disagree, you go right away to, ridiculous and can't keep their mouths shut. I am pointing out FACTS that may be one of the reasons the NRA is losing monies. IMO, I think people are starting to look in to the real NRA history and what they have done recently, and are not renewing. I'm sure there are other factors as well.

Been a member for years, and I'm not an anti, but...when I was talking with a fundraiser guy over the phone, I aske about that infringement on Florida gun owners, concerning pstd and not allowing them folks their 2nd amendment rights, and he said, and I quote , "we sure dropped the ball on that one". Quite apologetic, he was, while asking for more money.

I may not have my facts totally straight concerning the issue, but one of you might recall how it actually went.

I think Red Flag laws will be an abuse in waiting, I wish bump stocks had never been invented and I don't have a problem with instant background checks as long as there is no waiting period.


Do you have a problem with instant background checks? I'm genuinely curious.

Yes. People denied are never arrested. It is a crime to lie on the form to purchase. The whole thing was to create a registry of gun owners.

I also believe if a person is so dangerous they can not be trusted to arm themselves they should not be released from prison.

Does anybody reading this think insta check has ever stopped even one crime?

The MSM's unrelenting attacks on the NRA are prima facie evidence of the NRA's effectiveness. I'm a supporter.

It has stopped felons from buying guns but not all felons are dangerous and shouldn't automatically be deprived of their 2nd Amendment right.

do drug laws stop felons from buying drugs?

I can't speak to whether persons falsifying forms have been prosecuted or not but I agree with the "registry of gun owners" aspect of your post.

As this began as a post in wondering why the NRA would not respond to an inquiry, no one has addressed this, as it appears no one here has any experience with the NRA upper echelon. Without explanation of how, I have as a writer had such experience, and can relate they are not interested in members as what manages the NRA is interested in the closed group and not the members. In stating that, the NRA of the last 20 years is not the NRA of Harlon Carter who took it from a few hundred thousand members to millions.

When the NRA switched from 20 dollar year fees to 35 dollar a year fees, I did try to alert them that this was a huge mistake in membership. As a child, I did not realize that the purpose was calculated to censor the poor gun owning Americans, and this is what has been the urban NRA to not respond to a traditional American gun ownership, where firearms are a tool of daily life. Tom Greshem of Gun Talk summed this up as his position on the NRA changed in 2016 where he stated the NRA could no longer be electing Harry Reid in Nevada, who was busy smashing the NRA base in the NRA being a one issue organization. In addition, Mr. Gresham has challenged the NRA new outlook in selling insurance for profit and not focusing on defending gun rights.

2016 was a promise made for a national carry law. The NRA did not press the issue. The GOP which promised this as policy did not even attempt to pass it in Congress for the President who went silent on it. Two years were deliberately wasted and now it is gone, and the issue is moved to Republican states where they are making Constitutional carry a reality.

I have read the comments here of either you put up or shut up, as if the giving of money to a gun group is the solution, when they have proven they will not listen to the members. The few dollars I can afford, have not gone to national movements or parties. I have instead donated money, time and initiatives in supporting people who actually have restored rights to Americans. When was the last time anyone here invested the time to cultivate a relationship with the media, in radio, television, print or internet, so a pro firearms person was provided a friendly platform to not only get elected, but keep moving up higher to a governorship.
As an example, one of the main reasons western Minnesota, North and South Dakota have a network of pro gun, pro life, pro job political and civic leaders is because a man named Scott Hennen of Fargo put together a radio network which promotes the leadership which gains control over the machinery which restores rights.

Everyone here has purchased expensive lures which caught nothing but possum or skunk. When that happens, you stop giving that maker money and move on to what works. You are the gun lobby, not the NRA. It is easier to throw money at things and get nothing done. It takes skill to be a trapper and with conversation develop relationships with people who will help in the media and politics to implement the restoration of rights. It is public relations and takes time. The community organizers have taken control of the national mechanism, and that is why they are turning purple the Conservative states as they know that is the mechanism the founders installed to counter the federal.

If you have money for the NRA dues, then please send them, but as a member, get your name on a petition and get elected to the board, and then set the NRA in the direction which is the complaint posted again and again here, so that is responds to members and fulfills restoration of the Second.

Life member here. I'm not happy with everything the NRA does, but they do more for my 2nd A rights than I can do just griping on my own.

Putting aside specific legislation, politicians are greatly influenced by a single issue organization with that many dues paying members. It does tilt some votes toward our favor or at least towards neutrality in swing districts.

Here's another example of what the NRA does. They come out in favor of compromise, then try to retreat. If you look at the comments, it does support a reason why some NRA members have left them.

When a felon attempts to purchase a firearm it's supposed to be an automatic 5 year sentence... And the last time I read the statistics (NRA stats IIRC) it almost never happens. The felon is denied purchase of the weapon. But there is no follow up and resulting prosecution.

The NRA has long stood against new gun control legislation and instead has stated that we should be enforcing the laws we have... They are fine with the federal laws we have in place.

The NRA is not anti gun control... They are anti MORE gun control. They don't want us to move backward, but they sure don't seem to be about moving us forward.

Mike

I would call red flag laws more gun control

yep.

and for those who complain about NRA's positions...how about starting your OWN pro-2nd organization?

if you can be more effective than the NRA...I'd join your group!

I'll go along with that.

The most I have witnessed is a felon with a weapon during a crime and this is a enhancement to those charges in a Federal Court resulting in another charge or more time depending on how they deal it.

Yep, total bs law. Trump rescinded Obama's law in this area.

Trouble is, t h e liberals keep passing them, Colorado just passed one yesterday. Who's to blame? To many liberals or to many conservatives throwing their vote away, paving the way for these folks to gain control? The NRA fights every one of them, but wouldn't it be better if people used their vote wisely to start with?

And before you say the NRA supports its, they don't. They don't support taking guns away without due process from mentally ill people. Some writeups twist it to say they do, but that's not correct.

It seems the liberals goal is to fatigue both the courts and us with their mindless laws and lawsuits. I think they know going in they'll be overturned on appeal but that doesn't stop them. It's endless harassment until they get what they want.

The electorate is fickle, the majority doesn't have the attention span to see something through. We wouldn't get yanked around like a rag doll every election cycle if they were capable of maintaining a focus.

True Posko. The one Colorado just passed doesn't take effect instill next year. I figure they already figure on court appeals.

[quoteThe NRA fights every one of them][/quote]

Nope. You are mistaken. Chris W. Cox has served as the executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, the political and lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association, since 2002.






This is your hero the duck supporting red flag.

So your saying that the NRA does in fact support gun control in the form of red flag laws, as long as due process is used. You just proved a huge point!

They are talking about due process AFTER your guns are seized. Your neighbor is mad about the color you painted your shed. Calls the sheriff and says every time he tries to talk to you, you run in the house, grab a gun and tell him to mind his own business. Neighbor says he believes you will hurt somebody and swears to it in front of a judge. Judge tells the sheriff to seize all your guns. AFTER they are seized you get to try and prove to the judge your neighbor is a liar and you should get your guns back.

Again if you want to recruit NRA members stop telling people that the NRA is a defender of the 2nd which uses the words "shall not be infringed".

The NRA just like Nancy Pelosi, just like Bernie, just like the duck, ALL want reasonable gun control. They argue about what reasonable is but they all want more gun control not less.

We will continue to lose Second Amendment Rights, until we rest control of the US education system, back from the liberals who brain wash children into mindlessly believing guns are bad. The time is rapidly approaching when there will be more people trained to be terrified of guns, than there are people wanting to legally possess guns. Having the votes, allows the left to create the laws, enforce the laws and judge the legality of the laws that they will destroy the Second Amendment with. Children need to be educated from a very young age, that firearms are a tool necessary for protecting freedom and a high quality, American life.

Keith

Yes catch, that's exactly what I'm saying. No different than you or whiner saying it was a mistake eliminating the mental institutions which you both have. You surely wanted due process before someone was committed to the institution wouldn't ya?

Don't let hypcrocry bite ya.

Nope. You are mistaken. Chris W. Cox has served as the executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, the political and lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association, since 2002.






This is your hero the duck supporting red flag.



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On the first one, only one I listened to because I know their stance, his second or third sentence he says, "without due process". Now, maybe that's over your head, but that is exactly what I posted!

No hypocrisy on my end. Ask yourself why ANY pro-gun Org would advocate for ANY form of gun control. Can you find where the GOA has said things like this?

Maybe you don't understand the when they said the rights to due process either Catch. In your own words.

In other words more friendly to those who don't understand them, they are saying they are against the red flag laws because of the lack of due process.

Understand now?

(But they do support taking guns once someone is declared bat-crap crazy, same as people who say they were wrong to eliminate mental institutions.)

Due process aside, why does the NRA come out since almost a hundred years now, and advocate for gun control and compromise. Riddle me that lol. If people are mentally ill or whatever, why are they not being recognized through Dr's, family etc instead of using guns and gun control measures. Your not getting that the NRA is all for this form of gun control, and they shouldn't be.

It really boggles my mind that someone would so actively tear down an organization that has been fighting for Second Amendment rights and doing it very successfully for so long.

If you have a problem with the NRA fine. But why come on every single thread where they are mentioned and spread your poison? Why try to dissuade people from supporting what is still the most powerful and effective gun lobby in the nation? Wouldn't your time be much better spent offering positive alternatives that you think could do better than the NRA?

You come off as petty and miserable.

You could put that effort into pointing out some of the good stuff GOA and SAF are doing and there are dozens of other examples.

But you just keep beating that long dead horse don't you.

Pathetic.

No, not aside, that I s a major part!

(Due process)

I see this as conversation and debate, I have never bashed or called names or been a smartarse, unlike yourself. If you get butthurt that easy over a discussion, that's on you, not me.

My post was directed at Danny. but if the shoe fits...

Hippie, you still haven't answered my question. Fairly, I ask why support any form of gun control, due process or not?

Stay classy lol.

I am posses at the NRA and the nuts who protested our largest outdoor show and we ended up losing more in the long run than if they would've used their head at the moment and realized what the people were doing for that period of time wad correct. But, but, even tho I'm mad about that maneuver, I still know they do more good than bad.

You two have fun screwing up every pro- gun thread that comes up, but don't run and hide when the NRA doesn't save your bacon some day and we with long memories come calling!

Well maybe in the future you guys should have Hooray for the NRA only threads lol. Where no conversation presents ideas and thoughts. Just have the NRA is great only post lol.

Really???

I honestly believe if you think about that, you'll find the answer yourself. At least I sincerely hope you do.

I'm AMAZED (although I shouldn't be) at those who will stone an ally because they aren't extreme enough.


If Chuck Schumer saw this thread, he'd be smiling that Grinchy smile of his...ear to ear.

the phrase "cutting your nose off, to spite your face" comes to mind.

You nailed it.

The Pennsylvania Trappers Association motto is “united we stand, divided we fall. All for one, one for all”. If the NRA falls, so do our gun rights. There will be no other organization that will save us.

Nice dodge lol. And the NRA ain't in the savin our bacon biz, they fried and ate it up long ago. Even the Cincinnati revolt in 77 didn't stick. I have tried to point out the facts, I urge all to dig deeper and hopefully you will realize that there are better ways of support for those who actually stand tall for the 2nd. The time for compromise needs to stop, wouldn't you agree.

Sure, the NRA can sometimes do things not everyone agrees with. If you participate in the political arena at all you would realize that without the NRA most politicians would not know or care that the 2nd Amendment even exists.

Somebody explain how going to court after your property is seized is a good thing. Has to be a few on here that have gone through a messy divorce or had to deal with a jerk of a neighbor. At least hiring a lawyer probably won't cost any more than buying a new pickup.

Politicians fear not being re-elected. Lots of politicians want more firearm laws because their constituents do. It is how they get re-elected. In states where more gun law is not popular the politician goes to the NRA to get them to convince gun owning voters its a good law.

I am still waiting for a list of federal gun law the NRA is against. For awhile the "hearing protection act" was popular. Just don't forget it was the NRA lawyers that wrote the law requiring permission and a tax in the first place.
What happened to national carry since we are on the subject? How did we go from "shall not be infringed" to get permission and it is only good in a limited area?

danny, the GOA and GOF are going after the NFA. They're digging.
GOA challenge the NFA

Take it to them!

I just read the last bit of this thread and it got me to thinking about contrarians; where has Hal been for the past couple of months? Not that I really miss his attempt at commentary; just curious.

I've wondered the same thing. Time to put out an APB on him.

Same reason I quit. I got tired of hearing about a deal if I renewed my membership for another two years, I'd get a renewal discount. This a couple months after I had just renewed it. Or, the gifts if I would receive for sending money to support some bill that had come up.