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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: WIMarshRAT] #6507313
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Of course I understand that Dirt.

I also understand that for the current proposal the participation rates will be so low any impact will be minimal as it will be generally still be iced over or in the transition stage.

Let us explore the exceptions. Is it possible added pressure could help the species in circumstances?
You mean like spring beaver? What happens when it gains popularity like the spring beaver season?


What are we talking about here? A true open water season? It that is the case there will be added pressure. But than again your spring beaver trapping can't be overly popular, if it was there shouldn't be a large need for APHIS


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6507423
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Just like all trapping......Spring beaver is popular when the market is strong. Not so much right now.

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6520007
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Sounds like 70% approval rating. 3 zone structure.

Now the next hurdle, critically important Dates. Can’t understand why they were missing?

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6520020
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Most times someone overlooks the details. Now it drag on for a few more years.

I voted for it. Even though there weren’t any dates. Gotta start someplace I guess.

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: handitrapper] #6520089
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i don't know why dates were missing as when we were 4 the fur harvest committee and the WCC exec board those discussions had dates. I would have to look to see if dates were listed when it was voted on in 2018. I thought that it did but I would have to check. I don't know if dates were forgotten or were purposely left off. Now that we have had to advisory votes of well over 2/3rds in favor at least we should hear what those who finalize these resolutions have to say.

I can remember having dates at the original county meetings and the fur committee meetings and the exec council. I large in favor vote with that much ambiguity regarding dates speaks volumes.

Bryce

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: bblwi] #6520157
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Originally Posted by bblwi
I large in favor vote with that much ambiguity regarding dates speaks volumes.

Bryce


Could have been the intent?

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6520368
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It was actually as high or higher for those in attendance, they yes vote that is.

Bryce

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: bblwi] #6520701
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If the 3 zone does move forward I tend to believe that finding common ground on fall opening dates will be easier to find than closure dates in the spring. It will probably take more pressure and effort to be able to lengthen the spring season as from what I learned with talking with individuals there was more interest in the opening dates as open water trapping is what is driving much of this effort.

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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6520795
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Good luck Nimzy cause you're gonna need it.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6521532
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What humors me is MY perception resource utilization to its full potential....so many never had the privilege to handle the *"greasy" March rats, I reckon what we don't know wont hurt us.

*….."greasy" around min 46 NAFA marsh to mainstreet..

Im growing tired:( Disappointment would be an understatement.

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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: The Beav] #6521575
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Rat season should open state wide Oct 15th and close April 30th. With in those dates let the trapper decide when to start and when to finish.


Ours here in the southern area of the province is oct 25-apr30


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6521616
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Originally Posted by nimzy
What humors me is MY perception resource utilization to its full potential....so many never had the privilege to handle the *"greasy" March rats, I reckon what we don't know wont hurt us.

*….."greasy" around min 46 NAFA marsh to mainstreet..

Im growing tired:( Disappointment would be an understatement.


Pull up a bar stool!


Who is John Galt?
Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6521776
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Originally Posted by nimzy


Im growing tired:( Disappointment would be an understatement.



Keep your head and keep it moving forward. If you get bored you can come over here and help try advance NR trapping.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: Steven 49er] #6521787
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by nimzy


Im growing tired:( Disappointment would be an understatement.



Keep your head and keep it moving forward. If you get bored you can come over here and help try advance NR trapping.


That all got solved in the lawsuit.
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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: Dirt] #6521818
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Originally Posted by bblwi
If the 3 zone does move forward I tend to believe that finding common ground on fall opening dates will be easier to find than closure dates in the spring. It will probably take more pressure and effort to be able to lengthen the spring season as from what I learned with talking with individuals there was more interest in the opening dates as open water trapping is what is driving much of this effort.

Bryce


Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Good luck Nimzy cause you're gonna need it.



Originally Posted by Dirt


Pull up a bar stool!






Irony is i don't even fall trap. Working on behalf of all the road type workin fellas who cant trap till deer season. you know us size 2 hat types. Forgive my agenda and frustration,

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: Dirt] #6521887
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Steven 49er

Keep your head and keep it moving forward. If you get bored you can come over here and help try advance NR trapping.


That all got solved in the lawsuit.
cry


Nah, just another setback is all.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: Steven 49er] #6521958
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The 3 zone return has been the only recent attempt at expanding the spring season that I am aware of. My statement regarding where the emphasis may lie is not that I am not in favor of extensions in the spring it is where the public and trapper sentiment and interest lies. If we can engage in discussion about the fall we can also engage in discussion about the spring.

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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: coonwild] #6521974
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Originally Posted by coonwild
Originally Posted by The Beav
Rat season should open state wide Oct 15th and close April 30th. With in those dates let the trapper decide when to start and when to finish.


Ours here in the southern area of the province is oct 25-apr30


Well look at that. Your season in Ontario, doesn’t start until the 25th. Yet Wisconsin’s northern trappers complain that they miss out on open water fall trapping. How on earth can you handle all that ice?

Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6521985
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I would be happy with the start dates in Ontario. Southern Ontario is further south than most of WI. The start date in Ontario for latitudes similar to northern WI is October 15, I believe.


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Re: Stalled o’muskrat [Re: nimzy] #6521995
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Steve, that is correct.

Brian, you may not know this but coonwild probably lives south of Minneapolis and the majority of rats caught in Ontario are most likely caught south of Minneapolis.

Here are season tables for Ontario. I thank the good lord every day I don't have to read Ontarios regulation pamphlet more than once a decade. What a cluster!



Muskrat

1 to 35, 38 to 41

October 5 to May 15 in the year next following.

15.

Muskrat

36, 37, 42 to 67, 69B

October 15 to April 30 in the year next following.

16.

Muskrat

68, 69A, 70 to 95

October 25 to April 30 in the year next following.]


The number above the season dates are the wildlife management units they fall under.

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