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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: danny clifton] #6523788
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
get a job pike river. put in a 70 hour week. look at your pay stub. see how much money you get to keep.


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Once someone is in the system whether they need it or not, its very difficult to get them out of it.


The solution is simple. End welfare. In fact end all subsidies.

OK? With overture still bring home more than if I didn't work overtime. Just the same as when I get raises.... I have hears of some morons declining raises because they would have to pay more taxes....forgetting that their net aKer home still increases.

Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6523801
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Stop assuming all illegals are milking the system. I've known and worked with illegals from all over ther world. Most that I've known are hard working individuals/ families who live very humbly, that's how they afford the "nicer" things. 99% of them don't come with debt pay with cash.

It's amazing what you can do when you don't have debt and live within your means. Do you really need the 2500 sq ft house for your family of 5, only to struggle to pay the bills etc...?

Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6523838
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Amen Adam.


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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: adam m] #6523855
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Originally Posted by adam m
Stop assuming all illegals are milking the system. I've known and worked with illegals from all over ther world. Most that I've known are hard working individuals/ families who live very humbly, that's how they afford the "nicer" things. 99% of them don't come with debt pay with cash.

It's amazing what you can do when you don't have debt and live within your means. Do you really need the 2500 sq ft house for your family of 5, only to struggle to pay the bills etc...?

Very true, just like many forefathers.

Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6523857
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I agree with what most of you all have said. But, what I have a problem with are those who come here for the hand outs they get and they have no intention of assimilating and becoming Americans. Instead, they want to change America to be like the land they just came from where they were being persecuted, kidnapped, killed and constantly living in fear. Duh!

We have so many Americans living in poverty. Whoever said we should be taking care of them first, before we bring in more immigrants and give them free everything is right on.

Scuba sounds to me like the kind of people we should be welcoming with open arms. Yet, he's being made to jump through hoops which is crazy. You shouldn't have to spend money to become a citizen. We need more common sense running the system.


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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: Pike River] #6523867
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by adam m
Stop assuming all illegals are milking the system. I've known and worked with illegals from all over ther world. Most that I've known are hard working individuals/ families who live very humbly, that's how they afford the "nicer" things. 99% of them don't come with debt pay with cash.

It's amazing what you can do when you don't have debt and live within your means. Do you really need the 2500 sq ft house for your family of 5, only to struggle to pay the bills etc...?

Very true, just like many forefathers.

Whether or not they are "milking" the system, they are still ILLEGALS!


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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: Trapper7] #6523868
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
I agree with what most of you all have said. But, what I have a problem with are those who come here for the hand outs they get and they have no intention of assimilating and becoming Americans. Instead, they want to change America to be like the land they just came from where they were being persecuted, kidnapped, killed and constantly living in fear. Duh!

We have so many Americans living in poverty. Whoever said we should be taking care of them first, before we bring in more immigrants and give them free everything is right on.

Scuba sounds to me like the kind of people we should be welcoming with open arms. Yet, he's being made to jump through hoops which is crazy. You shouldn't have to spend money to become a citizen. We need more common sense running the system.

X2!


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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6523884
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I agree Catch. Many that I've known though they came here illegally, do work towards their citizenship. I've known a few who have been forced to give up on the process after many years of jumping through hoops and will over $10k only to get nowhere. Do I blame them for giving up, absolutely not. They have exhausted every option done everything they could.

I have good friends as the result of their parents coming here illegally and their parents eventually got their citizenship.
The whole system needs a complete overhaul. A wall will slow illegal activity especially the drugs.

Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: adam m] #6523889
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Originally Posted by adam m
I agree Catch. Many that I've known though they came here illegally, do work towards their citizenship. I've known a few who have been forced to give up on the process after many years of jumping through hoops and will over $10k only to get nowhere. Do I blame them for giving up, absolutely not. They have exhausted every option done everything they could.

I have good friends as the result of their parents coming here illegally and their parents eventually got their citizenship.
The whole system needs a complete overhaul. A wall will slow illegal activity especially the drugs.

I agree 100% adam. We need to stop ALL illegals and cherry pick the immigrants we want. Those that we allow in must assimilate to our culture and if we let them come here and they prove themselves to be good citizens then they shouldn't have to pay a dime imo.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: Catch22] #6523899
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by adam m
I agree Catch. Many that I've known though they came here illegally, do work towards their citizenship. I've known a few who have been forced to give up on the process after many years of jumping through hoops and will over $10k only to get nowhere. Do I blame them for giving up, absolutely not. They have exhausted every option done everything they could.

I have good friends as the result of their parents coming here illegally and their parents eventually got their citizenship.
The whole system needs a complete overhaul. A wall will slow illegal activity especially the drugs.

I agree 100% adam. We need to stop ALL illegals and cherry pick the immigrants we want. Those that we allow in must assimilate to our culture and if we let them come here and they prove themselves to be good citizens then they shouldn't have to pay a dime imo.


Right on, both you guys. We do need to cherry pick the immigrants we want. If we don't, we will be headed for trouble. Assimilating to our culture is a must, too many here already that have no intention of assimilation. America needs to clean up its act.


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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: danny clifton] #6524222
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
get a job pike river. put in a 70 hour week. look at your pay stub. see how much money you get to keep.


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Once someone is in the system whether they need it or not, its very difficult to get them out of it.


The solution is simple. End welfare. In fact end all subsidies.



I basically figure on time and a-half pay,I take home my straight pay wages. Of course I go into a higher bracket but at the end I get some back and in December I do not pay SS because of my wages.

Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6524319
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I have a different attitude about illegal immigrants than most on here. My thinking is that their labor is a valuable asset to our economy and if with-held would cause a major downturn for all of us.

In 2018 illegal aliens contributed 13 billion to the SSA. Money that they probably will not get back in benefits unless laws are changed later. And I'm OK with that...pay to play. Except for schools and medical I don't agree with benefits for illegals. Schools they already pay taxes for, and to deny medical is just flat wrong.

I wish we had native born folks to take ag jobs like the ones I can never fill. But it ain't happening. For us farmers skilled ag labor is a precious commodity that is unfortunately shrinking. Strawberry farmers are switching to crops that can be machine picked. In October when I pick late blueberries I can't find anybody to pick since the vineyards are paying over $20 an hour for labor.


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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6524330
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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: Catch22] #6524351
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by adam m
I agree Catch. Many that I've known though they came here illegally, do work towards their citizenship. I've known a few who have been forced to give up on the process after many years of jumping through hoops and will over $10k only to get nowhere. Do I blame them for giving up, absolutely not. They have exhausted every option done everything they could.

I have good friends as the result of their parents coming here illegally and their parents eventually got their citizenship.
The whole system needs a complete overhaul. A wall will slow illegal activity especially the drugs.

I agree 100% adam. We need to stop ALL illegals and cherry pick the immigrants we want. Those that we allow in must assimilate to our culture and if we let them come here and they prove themselves to be good citizens then they shouldn't have to pay a dime imo.

I agree. That's why I feel bad for people like Scuba, over a decade and thousands of dollars so far and still doesn't have his citizenship.

Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6524373
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It takes a long time here too.
My son married an American girl two years ago,and she is still working on getting her Canadian status.
At least she has medical coverage under my sons insurance thru his employer.

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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6524408
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Illegal immigrants can’t get government benifits. I mean you got to have a social security number to get food stamps or anything.

Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6524410
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End welfare. We wont have to cherry pick immigrants. No criminal history then let them in. The people who show up will want to EARN their way and become Americans.


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Re: Illegal migrants recieve US benifits [Re: snowy] #6524604
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10% of the population in my area are Muslim. Most of them get free health care. Because of this, they use the emergency room at the hospital for anything from a minor cut finger, morning sickness, headaches, a cold, etc. There are always a large number of them in the waiting room.

My wife has asthma. One weekend she had a bad asthma attack. She was struggling to breath. I sat with her for over an hour before she could be seen due to the large number of Muslim people ahead of her. When she finally was seen, she ended up in the hospital over night until they could get her oxygen level stabilized.

A nurse who I know that works emergency said it's really not fair to people who are in real emergency situations. But, she said you don't dare complain.


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