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Advice on airplanes #6523588
04/22/19 09:58 PM
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I would like some advice on how to go about picking models and brands of airplanes to purchase. First let me tell you my situation and my goals,

I知 45, I can afford to spend what I want but believe I will try to keep purchase for each plane under 100k and will assume it would be closer to 50k but at this point I知 open to any budget if I see a value.. I currently don稚 have my pilots license yet, or have even started, but made my mind up that I知 going to get it done and want to buy a plane to take all my lessons in instead of renting a plane I also have a remote property in Canada, so I would like a plane to have floats, I may end up buying 2 planes, one to keep floats on and one to go traveling or sightseeing.. I have a family of 4 and right now I知 sure they are not willing partners in flying with me. I think I would like a 2-4 seater with floats, and a good flying plane there is no need for a fast one for the one with floats, then I think I would like the other plane to maybe have some speed. I know there is a lot more to figuring out what I want and what determines the correct plane for my experience and desires, but I would like to have some ideas and conversation on how start this process and what are considered quality planes and why and what to watch for, I will alos get my local flying associates to help with this but trying to learn and study on the subject ahead of that to know what questions to ask.

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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523650
04/22/19 11:42 PM
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if u insist on taking lessons and building time on your own plane i recommend Cessna 172......make sure paper work and hours are in order and get it inspected by airplane mechanic u trust.
Float plane with 4 seat capacity smallest to look at is Cessna 185 and hard to get good unit for your budget of 100K
that is just my 2 cents.....good luck and have fun


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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Mont] #6523651
04/22/19 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mont
Float plane with 4 seat capacity smallest to look at is Cessna 185 and hard to get good unit for your budget of 100K


I was thinking he'd be lucky to find one for 200k. I've been wrong before.

Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Posco] #6523658
04/23/19 12:03 AM
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ya i agree it will likely be 150k - 250k ...but never say never.
don't rush into buying a "cheap" plane until u get it checked over and educated about annuals , hours for engine,prop, frame $$$$$$ ....ground school and reading is interesting and get ready to memorize thousands of abbreviations.


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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523660
04/23/19 12:09 AM
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Thanks

These are exactly the feed back I知 looking for, at quick glance I will probably be looking for a 2 seater with floats. I don稚 intend to buy a cheap one, I want a quality one that has value

Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523662
04/23/19 12:16 AM
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for 2 seater with floats check out piper super cub......guys who have them love them more then there first born hahaha


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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523664
04/23/19 12:41 AM
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I agree with most of the above.

Go somewhere like Phoenix and get your license in a tail dragger like a cub. Then get a float rating. Get rated in a 185 or 206 on floats & skis.
These will be out of your budget but you can get into a cherry Cub for 80-100 grand.

These planes will appreciate in value as long as you don't bend them too badly


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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523669
04/23/19 01:01 AM
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No offense intended, but you have much to learn. Study about useful load. Buy at least one size larger than you think you need.

For a new pilot, master one plane before you buy a second plane.

Forget a 150. It is useless except for two small people with no baggage.

A 172 is ok, especially with a bit of engine work it will have a little extra power.

The 185 sky wagon is where they begin to get interesting.

The 206 is a good plane.

Since you say you can spend up to where you see value, skip the above planes and buy a DeHavilland Beaver on amphibious floats. It will take off and land on hard runway, water, and wet grass. Buy only one plane but make it a good one. $650,000 - $1,000,000 depending on history, condition, paint, custom interior, amphibious floats, wheels, and skis.

A Piper Super Cub is a good idea if set up for STOL.

If you need a guy to set up camp and keep everything humming while you are having fun, I am available at a price.

Fly carefully.


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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523736
04/23/19 07:10 AM
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I agree, lot of solid advice above. More budget than patience has been the ruin of many well intentioned people and passengers. Nice to start with something small and nimble where you can go off on a whim and spend time overhead AND physically get to know an aircraft. Going to need that if your someday going to remote areas.
Learning to fly is the easy part, learning to deal with the unexpected of which there is much with your feet off the ground is the key. Annuals, total time, service records and registrations etc all play into a purchase. When you get to the amphibious part you may find a set of good floats cost more than the aircraft.
It has been over 44 years since they clipped my shirt tail, flying is wonderful, and there is no substitute for first hand experience. Hours aloft are invaluable.
Good luck.

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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523771
04/23/19 08:19 AM
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Go for it, and don't ever look back. If you've got the urge and the funds, don't let your own excuses or the rantings of anyone else talk you out of it. I lived in bush Alaska for many years and my 'Cub was basically my pickup truck. In ground school you will be taught that thrust overcoming drag, and lift overcoming gravity, is what makes an airplane fly. Then you'll learn later that what really makes an airplane fly...is money. Don't get any particular aircraft and then see what it will do. Research your needs and wants first, then read and talk with various pilots to see what specific plane fits the bill for the type of flying you'll be wanting to do. For me, usually alone, trapping, fishing, and hunting off-field, there was no question that the plane was a PA-18. For you, probably something different.

Best of luck, man.

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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523776
04/23/19 08:26 AM
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Remember that the big expenses are hull insurance, hiring an A&P, hangar rental, annuals, 50 and 100 hours, etc. Another thought with OWNING a plane vs. renting is what happens if you were to lose your medical?

REMEMBER: The only time you have too much fuel on board is when you are on fire.


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Re: Advice on airplanes [Re: Jacks] #6523983
04/23/19 03:09 PM
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Jack - so true that money is what keeps an airplane flying. My father in law owned 3 at the same time. 2 in Ohio locally and 1 in Florida at the winter home. He really loved flying


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