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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524201
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That is way down on offering of coon an rats, it seems to me

Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524212
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There was no layoff of wild fur graders or agents. Most of the layoffs were for ranch mink personal.
In the last few years there have been some staff retire and or leave the company that have not been replaced. The present market with the reduced volume coming in has force the company to make further reductions.
On an average sale NAFA normally offers 3 million plus mink.

Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524234
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I don't know if the low number of rats reflects that they are offering only fresh goods since the last sale or if they are offering a limited number of say better or select pelts. I have 15 2xl-3xl-selects that were buy backs from the last sale. I will look to see if they are being offered or not.

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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524315
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I would surely think all rats would be offered

Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524391
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80,000 coyotes is not a lot considering that the market is strong.

17,000 cats - could include some dealer lots.


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: wissmiss] #6524413
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Originally Posted by coonman220
I would surely think all rats would be offered


This sale is offering all the fresh goods shipped in. The May sale is a complete offering. Including all the zoo articles like opossum, badgers, skunks weasels and squirrels.


Originally Posted by wissmiss
80,000 coyotes is not a lot considering that the market is strong.

17,000 cats - could include some dealer lots.

The cats market is always a market that the supply of fresh cats develops late in the season. A lot of good cats are caught in Jan and Feb to late to make the first sale of the year plus some trappers will offer their cats in the country first before shipping to auction.

Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524415
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According to the updated nafa chart, the estimated worldwide production of ranch mink is a little over 35 million to be offered for next year. That is down from the estimated 55 million being offered for this selling season.

I have heard the trade uses about 40 million mink skins a year, so the gap is going to show once the excess is used up.


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524480
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According to the updated nafa chart, the estimated worldwide production of ranch mink is a little over 35 million to be offered for next year. That is down from the estimated 55 million being offered for this selling season.

I have heard the trade uses about 40 million mink skins a year, so the gap is going to show once the excess is used up.


Or has fashion been changing and short-haired mink aren't as hot anymore...? I thought I've heard people say that this the past year or so. Maybe 35 million mink skins will do them just fine. When most of the remaining old growth Doug fir (at least in the U.S.) went off the market by the mid 1990s, the wood industry turned to more engineered lumber and could make larger dimensional lumber out of multiple smaller trees. After 25 years of doing this, would old growth Doug fir still be as valuable if they suddenly opened that resource up...?

There was 52k (?) yotes offered in the first NAFA sale and now anticipated 80,000 at the end of May so about 130,000 for the year. How does that compare to the past couple? There was talk earlier in the season that guys in some of the better yote areas weren't catching as many as they usually did. Maybe that's reflected in these numbers if 130,000 coyotes for the year at NAFA is low...?


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524521
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Your math on the number of coyotes NAFA offered this season is not correct. Not all of the 52,000 coyotes offered at the February sale sold. There were Eastern and southern coyotes that were Bought Back and are being reoffered at this sale. I don't know the number but it is enough that the total offering is below 130,000. Probably more like 110,000.


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: mink99] #6524585
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Originally Posted by mink99
According to the updated nafa chart, the estimated worldwide production of ranch mink is a little over 35 million to be offered for next year. That is down from the estimated 55 million being offered for this selling season.

I have heard the trade uses about 40 million mink skins a year, so the gap is going to show once the excess is used up.


NAFA is pretty good if they can predict the independant actions of fur farmers in ten or more different countries. Maybe they can garantee next years prices in advance?


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524592
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I may be wrong but I think the chart nafa has is used by the whole fur trade and it of course is just an estimation. Meaning not just nafa put it together.


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524598
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I just seen a presentation that has the number of mink pegged at 25 million for next year. If l could figure out how to post the graph l would do it the graph is in excel so l have no clue how to post it but the numbers are very accurate and the source had good information.

Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524631
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Where is all this wild fur coming from?

Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524647
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Gibb,stop referring to furskins as "the zoo".
This devalues the product,and is akin to referring to foothold traps as legholds.
Why not call ranch fur-factory fur.
Its no wonder the fur trade is struggling when people who are supposed to up market fur,denigrate it instead.
A much better term would be" exotics".

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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: bblwi] #6524665
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I wonder what that will mean overall.


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: Boco] #6524670
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Originally Posted by Boco
Gibb,stop referring to furskins as "the zoo".
This devalues the product,and is akin to referring to foothold traps as legholds.
Why not call ranch fur-factory fur.
Its no wonder the fur trade is struggling when people who are supposed to up market fur,denigrate it instead.
A much better term would be" exotics".


They don't perform well on the average wolverines and wolves anyway. I never have sent one to a Canadian auction and I never will.

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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524672
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NAFA itself and all the buyers refer to certain pelts as "the zoo". It isn't just Gibb. It is 98% of the people involved in the wild fur business.

These pelts include

Wolf
Wolverine
Bear
Cougar
Possum
Skunk
Badger
Squirrel
Ermine
Nutria

You would have to change a complete mindset if you wanted to stop using the term "the zoo"

It isn't that big of a deal. Seems like the only person bothered by this is Boco. Why am I not surprised!?


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524679
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i'm with Bobo on this one.









Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524689
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Exotics would be worse, then people would think it was some kind of endangered species or something
Jeez boco I'm surprised you disagree with anything nafa does or says. Lol


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Re: NAFA Order of Sale May Auction [Re: gibb] #6524707
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Exotics would be a terrible choice.

When I think of exotics I think of big cats - tigers, lions, cheetahs, etc.


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