Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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wow! I've been a plumber for 40 years. I don't work with lead like we used to, but there is still whole cities that have lead joints in there water mains and lead goosenecks on there laterals to the houses. Youngstown ohio still uses lead goosenecks. Michigan comes to mind also.plattsbugh new York had lead joints on there cast iron water lines.i would cost billions to replace all them lines. Michigan no longer uses cast iron pipe with leaded joints. Goosenecks are replace with copper. At one time we had a hole lot of lead goosenecks in a large wire basket.
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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Was it lead Flint, Michigans water supply was supposed to be contaminated with? Not sure!
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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If you all can’t smell the anti hunting crowd in this you’ve cut off your nose to spite your face. They would have you believe the only source of lead for raptors and ducks is found by picking up lead shot. And wouldn’t that be great if it was? This is an end around that’s been going on for a long time. tomahawker: WRONG, this is not a anti hunting item at all. You better check you nose. Ingested lead is the problem. I just missed a article on the News that Grand Rapids is going to hire people to find out where some kids are getting lead in there systems, when there blood was test it show hi levels of lead.
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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The notion that ingested lead poses significant problems to wildlife is utterly absurd. If you believe that, I got some real nice time shares on Mars you'll be interested in.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke "We are fast approaching... rule by brute force." -Ayn Rand
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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Sooo... raptors have been brought up frequently. Obviously by the ignorant as they forgot a very important detail: raptors upchuck bones, fur, feathers, etc several times a week. Ever heard of, or better yet seen and interacted with, "owl pellets"???
Yup, "lead is bad" is just more feel good libturd nonsense to distract the ignorant and emotionally immature into allowing ever greater tyranny. So sad.
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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The notion that ingested lead poses significant problems to wildlife is utterly absurd. If you believe that, I got some real nice time shares on Mars you'll be interested in. My thoughts exactly! ( I can see around a trap/sleet range that gets used daily them finding a couple diver-ducks with lead in their system, but it ends there.)
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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Lead is poisonous.It has been removed from paint and gas for a reason.
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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I had a guy tell me once that when you cut a water pipe into and see the white stuff in the pipes, I guess minerals from the water, that serves as its own pipe and the lead can't get in thru it. Don't know but it seems reasonable.
The first time as a kid that I cut and welded a bunch of galvanized metal, that night no one had to tell me that was bad stuff and not to breathe that anymore. That didn't mean I needed to to take all the roofing off in the community and bury it. I remember when as a kid a neighbor kid used to bring a big ball of mercury to school and play with it in his hands. When I told my mom she said not to handle it that it was bad. Today that guy's hands peel off and give him trouble, don't know if that caused it. Still I don't think we need to get rid of all the thermometers.
I think where the Romans was messing up with their sweet wine was boiling it down in lead containers, heating the lead will bring out the worst in it. If you breathe lead vapor as it melts you might be better off just buying your mini balls or fishing weights. If they want to do away with lead then I guess all the cars will need mags and cranks to replaces the batteries. Soil contains lead and arsenic and plants take it up and we eat them. So maybe we get are daily allowances without having to supplement it with any extra.
Every thing seems to be that a balance is best. My mom and dad grew up in a time when eggs and milk was their main stay because they was cheap and on hand and they both lived up in their 80's, but now depending on which report you read milk and eggs are either killing you or good for you. If you survive every thing that's bad for you may actually still die, maybe old age simply put.
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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I had a guy tell me once that when you cut a water pipe into and see the white stuff in the pipes, I guess minerals from the water, that serves as its own pipe and the lead can't get in thru it. Don't know but it seems reasonable.
The first time as a kid that I cut and welded a bunch of galvanized metal, that night no one had to tell me that was bad stuff and not to breathe that anymore. That didn't mean I needed to to take all the roofing off in the community and bury it. I remember when as a kid a neighbor kid used to bring a big ball of mercury to school and play with it in his hands. When I told my mom she said not to handle it that it was bad. Today that guy's hands peel off and give him trouble, don't know if that caused it. Still I don't think we need to get rid of all the thermometers.
I think where the Romans was messing up with their sweet wine was boiling it down in lead containers, heating the lead will bring out the worst in it. If you breathe lead vapor as it melts you might be better off just buying your mini balls or fishing weights. If they want to do away with lead then I guess all the cars will need mags and cranks to replaces the batteries. Soil contains lead and arsenic and plants take it up and we eat them. So maybe we get are daily allowances without having to supplement it with any extra.
Every thing seems to be that a balance is best. My mom and dad grew up in a time when eggs and milk was their main stay because they was cheap and on hand and they both lived up in their 80's, but now depending on which report you read milk and eggs are either killing you or good for you. If you survive every thing that's bad for you may actually still die, maybe old age simply put. The Roman aristocracy would grind up lead and sprinkle it on their food... Couple that with rampant incest to keep blood lines pure... And you can understand why some of the ceasars were a little loopy. Mike
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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I handle a decent amount of lead. I don't chew on it or huff the vapors when I melt it. I wash my hands after handling it.
Honestly I worry more about getting splattered with hot molten lead than I do getting sick from it.
Respect it and be aware of the hazards, but good grief don't live in terror of it.
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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DueBoug: I know all about raptor casting, I was a falconer for just of 50 years. In the last 20 years I have taken 3 eagle to rehabilitator that had lead poisoning. Outside of trapper I most likely spend more hours in the woods that most. So I am not anti-hunting. The reason I post the original post "Lead" was lead is out there and is a hazard to raptor and other wing game. You can believe it or not that is up to you! This is not JMO it is a fact! Talk to your vet, ask him how it effect raptor. But again what would he know. LOL
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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DueBoug: I know all about raptor casting, I was a falconer for just of 50 years. In the last 20 years I have taken 3 eagle to rehabilitator that had lead poisoning. Outside of trapper I most likely spend more hours in the woods that most. So I am not anti-hunting. The reason I post the original post "Lead" was lead is out there and is a hazard to raptor and other wing game. You can believe it or not that is up to you! This is not JMO it is a fact! Talk to your vet, ask him how it effect raptor. But again what would he know. LOL Lead poisoning is real, I cant disagree with you on that., however are the raptors getting the lead poisoning from lead shot, or from something else in the environment? Do you believe lead is the "boogie man" that it is made out to be in popular culture today? Duxdawg probably isn't going to be willing to feed lead shot as grit to his chickens, but I would bet he wouldn't consider it a hazard to put a load of #4s in a possum that was in the pen.
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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I often wonder why they ban lead shot where very little hunting occurs. I understand it may be a good idea where lots of hunting occurs, but probably pointless where I live. Then there are the NAZI rules about having lead shot on board when duck hunting. I'd say 99% of the lead in the waterways here come from fishing. Most of it rather large for birds to ingest. Is the lead shot ban a Federal law?
BTW isn't lead rather heavy? I would think like gold, it would eventually sink towards bed rock and not be available near the surface very long for birds to ingest?
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Re: How toxic is lead, really?
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ebfarmer; I do a lot ADC work in the spring and fall, mostly the big three. Racoons, opossums and skunks.. I would dispatch them with a 22 short. I would just leave them in place in the field for everything to eat. The same place every time. I would only be 1 to 3 day and they are gone. I wondered what was eating them. So I put out a game camera, first up a Great Horned Owl then a fox but just took a sniff, a coyote again just a look and sniff. Next was a adult Bald Eagle, he was eating on one of the Raccoon, then the vultures moved in and run the Eagle off. I still dispatch the game the same way but they go in a plastic bag and go in the garbage.
I should have known better. This is FIO, people will keep doing what they do. Look at drinking and driving, killing people everyday but is still goes on everyday. JMO
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