Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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I don't know what the passage about the pig and the cross is, so I can't comment about it.
There are 3.5 million Muslims in the US, only 1.1 percent of our population. I guess I won't lose any sleep worrying about them.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Thinking along the lines of the over-the-top religious people who will allow their child to die before allowing medical Cate, etc, etc.
Did this Christian think these people were heathens? I think you hit the nail on the head in this case, Hippie. There are always going to be some over-zealous people on both sides of the aisle. In this case, the guy may have been like those who bring poisonous snakes as part of their service because of some scripture in they read in the OT that they have taken out of context or was written for their church. Or, like the 144,000 saints in the book of Revelation which the Watchtower Society felt pertained to them. Ricarda Bradford a six year old could have lived with a blood transfusion. Instead, she died because her father refused the life-giving procedure. He quoted Genesis 9:3-4 and Leviticus 17:10-15 explaining that taking blood in the veins was the same as eating it.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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I don't know what the passage about the pig and the cross is, so I can't comment about it.
There are 3.5 million Muslims in the US, only 1.1 percent of our population. I guess I won't lose any sleep worrying about them.
Jim Ground breaking speech at the ceremony for digging your own grave. MN has one of the highest population of Muslims in the US? Many parents have pulled their children out of one school and moved to another with fewer Muslims. Teachers have schools they will no longer teach in because of the Muslim student's behavior. It's fine if they want to be here and become Americans and act like one. If you were in their country, they would expect the same from you.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Trapper 7 the snake handling is in the New Testament. I believe the 144,000 is referring to the 12 tribes of Israel. A Christian is under Grace not the law, so the man not allowing blood transfusion was confusing Judaism with Christianity.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Thinking along the lines of the over-the-top religious people who will allow their child to die before allowing medical Cate, etc, etc.
Did this Christian think these people were heathens? I think you hit the nail on the head in this case, Hippie. There are always going to be some over-zealous people on both sides of the aisle. In this case, the guy may have been like those who bring poisonous snakes as part of their service because of some scripture in they read in the OT that they have taken out of context or was written for their church. Or, like the 144,000 saints in the book of Revelation which the Watchtower Society felt pertained to them. Ricarda Bradford a six year old could have lived with a blood transfusion. Instead, she died because her father refused the life-giving procedure. He quoted Genesis 9:3-4 and Leviticus 17:10-15 explaining that taking blood in the veins was the same as eating it. I was hoping someone could see what line I was thinking along. Or at least talk about it instead of deflecting from it. I believe there are rabid Christians like there are rabid Muslims who will kill because of their beliefs. I saw some wild talk here that surprised me from a really religious person. I had one tell me, and I'm not Bible smart enough to know if it's true, that there ate anti-Semitic passages in it. (Not only against Jews.) That had me thinking when the couple killings happened that are said was religion against religion. (Christian against Muslim/Jews) Anyhow, like anything in life, I believe you can go so far that you are actually a detriment wether it be religion, work or whatever. That's just my opinion and I do believe in God. That doesn't mean I can't look at these shootings objectively does it?
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Trapper 7 the snake handling is in the New Testament. I believe the 144,000 is referring to the 12 tribes of Israel. A Christian is under Grace not the law, so the man not allowing blood transfusion was confusing Judaism with Christianity. The snake handling I saw on TV was a church from down south. They associated the snake handling from Exodus 7:10 when Aaron turned his staff into a snake. Pharaoh's magicians turned their staffs into snakes as well. But, Aaron's snake devoured their snakes. The 144,00 is the 12 tribes of Israel. But, according to the Watchtower Society, it represents their group exclusively. I'm not sure the Watchtower Society classifies themselves Christians, but are somewhere in between. Different from you and me, they don't believe Jesus' shed blood saved anyone. So, saved by grace has no meaning for them.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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hippie, I know what you are saying. There are rabid Christians. I just don't see where there are as many of them as there are rabid Muslims based on the difference in their fundamental beliefs. It seems like every other day you hear where a group of radical Muslims shot up a church or a suicidal bomber killed 50 people in a shopping center somewhere much more than you hear about a radical Christian doing something similar.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Trapper 7 I always thought the snake handlers practiced it from the book of Mark 16:18. Don't know why folks feel the need to prove their faith like that but to each his own I guess. Worked with a Jehovah's Witness and the best I can figure from talking with him as they believe Jesus was the perfect man. Pretty sure they don't believe in the Holy Ghost also. Never could really pry it out of him.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Until fairly recently, most Americans self-identified as Christian no matter how nominal an impact the faith had in their lives. You're bound to drag up some unsavory characters in a net cast that wide. Christians are not a violent people. They go to church on Sunday and work on Monday, they don't blow people up. A vast majority are peaceful. But, some people did some bombing of abortion clinics in the 90’s. They identified as Christian, although they weren’t really Christian, a real Christian wouldn’t do that. They would offer loving help to those suffering with the decision to have one. I will say the majority of Muslims wouldn’t bomb either, but, you’re still a perfectly fine Muslim in the Koran if you do blow yourself up.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Until fairly recently, most Americans self-identified as Christian no matter how nominal an impact the faith had in their lives. You're bound to drag up some unsavory characters in a net cast that wide. Christians are not a violent people. They go to church on Sunday and work on Monday, they don't blow people up. A vast majority are peaceful. But, some people did some bombing of abortion clinics in the 90’s. They identified as Christian, although they weren’t really Christian, a real Christian wouldn’t do that. They would offer loving help to those suffering with the decision to have one. I will say the majority of Muslims wouldn’t bomb either, but, you’re still a perfectly fine Muslim in the Koran if you do blow yourself up. Watch it Rob, stating facts will get you called names.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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I don't know what the passage about the pig and the cross is, so I can't comment about it.
There are 3.5 million Muslims in the US, only 1.1 percent of our population. I guess I won't lose any sleep worrying about them.
Jim Ground breaking speech at the ceremony for digging your own grave. There it is summed up in one sentence. Love it.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Until fairly recently, most Americans self-identified as Christian no matter how nominal an impact the faith had in their lives. You're bound to drag up some unsavory characters in a net cast that wide. Christians are not a violent people. They go to church on Sunday and work on Monday, they don't blow people up. A vast majority are peaceful. But, some people did some bombing of abortion clinics in the 90’s. They identified as Christian, although they weren’t really Christian, a real Christian wouldn’t do that. They would offer loving help to those suffering with the decision to have one. I will say the majority of Muslims wouldn’t bomb either, but, you’re still a perfectly fine Muslim in the Koran if you do blow yourself up. Yep, there were many abortion clinics/doctors bombed or shot in that period. I always related the KKK to be religious people too back in the day.(50's up to the 70's) maybe Riverotter can shed some light on them since he's from the south and would have heard more about them than I have. I agree that to compare the two religions, Muslims are far more extreme. Interesting discussion.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Trapper 7 I always thought the snake handlers practiced it from the book of Mark 16:18. Don't know why folks feel the need to prove their faith like that but to each his own I guess. Worked with a Jehovah's Witness and the best I can figure from talking with him as they believe Jesus was the perfect man. Pretty sure they don't believe in the Holy Ghost also. Never could really pry it out of him. Jehovahs witness believe Jesus was Michael the archangel. I kid you not. The won't give you that up front, though, you have to pry it out of them.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Until fairly recently, most Americans self-identified as Christian no matter how nominal an impact the faith had in their lives. You're bound to drag up some unsavory characters in a net cast that wide. Christians are not a violent people. They go to church on Sunday and work on Monday, they don't blow people up. A vast majority are peaceful. But, some people did some bombing of abortion clinics in the 90’s. They identified as Christian, although they weren’t really Christian, a real Christian wouldn’t do that. They would offer loving help to those suffering with the decision to have one. I will say the majority of Muslims wouldn’t bomb either, but, you’re still a perfectly fine Muslim in the Koran if you do blow yourself up. The difference is, Jesus never taught us to kill our enemies. Mohamed did.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: It wasn't a Muslim, but a Christian?
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Hippie, I assume you are referring to the Old Testament, and the old mosaic law, which was mostly done away with in the new covenant. The only commandments from the Old Testament that Christians are required to keep are the ones that Jesus reinforced in the new, (which includes 9 of the original 10 commandments) but I will focus on the subject at hand. From what I have read, and understand from reading the New Testament, no true follower of Christ under ANY circumstances will take the life of another human being, EVER. I will list just a few quotes of Jesus here: “You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) of fire.” “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?” “And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?” “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.”
These are just a few that I could think of off the top of my head.
As to Islam and the Koran, I have never read the Koran nor studied Islam in any form except for what I heard or read from others. So therefore, I can not comment or make statements about it with any authority.
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